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Believing the Children

It's likely Fran and Danny Keller were innocent of charges of child sexual abuse, but they're still in prison after 17 years

BY JORDAN SMITH



Photo by Jana Birchum

When the little girl on the witness stand said, "No, it didn't happen," Frances Keller put her head in her hands and began to sob.

It was the second day of what would be a six-day trial of Keller and her husband, Danny, on charges that they'd sexually assaulted a young girl, Christina Chaviers, in the summer of 1991, when the 3-year-old was an infrequent drop-in at their home-based Oak Hill day care. Among the multiple counts were allegations that Danny had forcibly penetrated Christina with a pen and his penis and that Fran had performed oral sex on Christina and forced the girl to do the same. The charges were based on statements Christina had made, first to her mother, Suzanne Guinne, and then to her therapist, social worker Donna David-Campbell. There was no definitive physical evidence.

On the witness stand, the little girl sat on her older sister's lap, chewing on a lollipop. "Did Danny ever touch you in a way you didn't like?" Assistant District Attorney Judy Shipway asked.

"No," Christina replied.

"Did Fran ever touch you [in] a way you didn't like?" Shipway asked.

"No," the girl replied.

Shipway tried a different approach. Did Christina tell anyone else that Danny had hurt her? She did not reply. Shipway asked if Christina would like to "whisper to me" her answer.

"No," she said.

"Christy, when you say no, do you mean you don't want to talk about it, or do you mean, no, it didn't happen?" Shipway asked.

"No, it didn't happen," Christina replied once and then again. "No, it didn't happen."

"But did you tell somebody it happened?" Shipway asked.

"Yes, yes, yes," she answered.

Fran held her head in her hands; all the emotion of the last year and a half welled up. Finally, she thought, everyone in the courtroom had heard the truth: Nothing had happened. Fran felt a measure of relief – certainly, this whole ordeal would soon be over.



Daniel Keller
Photo by Jana Birchum

But that's not what happened. Instead, Fran and Danny Keller were each convicted of sexually assaulting Christina Chaviers, and each was sentenced to 48 years in prison. For the Kellers, now 58 and 68, respectively, it was effectively a life sentence. They've since come up for parole, but neither will acknowledge the remorse that is a requirement of release – after 17 years, the Kellers still fiercely maintain their innocence.

And in fact, the Chronicle's reinvestigation of the Fran's Day Care case has revealed serious problems with the state's case against the Kellers – including questions about the quality and reliability of the state's medical evidence and forensic interviews. Moreover, the sensational nature of the charges themselves, in a period of hysterical national rumors about supposed "satanic ritual abuse" at day care centers, made it virtually impossible for the Kellers to receive a fair or even rational trial. Finally, our investigation has uncovered potentially exculpatory evidence that the Kellers' defense attorneys say they were not aware of at the time of the 1992 trial.

In light of the problems with the original prosecution and this additional evidence, there remain substantive doubts about the Kellers' guilt. Indeed, it's an open question not only whether the Kellers were rightly convicted – but more fundamentally, whether any crime ever happened at Fran's Day Care at all.


Taking Care of Kids

Frances was devastated by the charges, which she and Danny vociferously denied. She loved children. She had three of her own, already grown, and she missed having little ones around the house. In late 1989, Frances decided to quit her job in the deli at the Oak Hill H-E-B and to open a day care in her home just off Highway 71. "My boss was having a baby, and I told her I was just getting tired of working, and she asked, if I was going to quit, would I watch her baby? Well, I've watched children ... all my life," Frances, or Fran, as the kids called her, told the Chronicle in an interview at the Sycamore Unit of the women's prison in Gatesville.

"Even when my kids were little I watched children. And ... it just started with her [baby] and then with a couple more. I was in heaven, you know, staying home and taking care of kids. I just loved it." She insists consistently to this day that she would never even think of hurting a child – and that neither she nor her husband ever abused Christina Chaviers.

Yet following a half-day at the Kellers on Aug. 15, 1991, Christina told her mother that she didn't like Danny, because he'd spanked her – just "like daddy" used to, Guinne said in court. (At the time, Guinne and her husband, Rick Chaviers, were engaged in a bitter divorce.) Mother and daughter were en route to a scheduled appointment with therapist Donna David-Campbell, who had been seeing Christina for several months to work on the toddler's ongoing behavior problems. By the time Christina's half-hour appointment was finished, however, the allegation that Danny had spanked her had grown in severity and scope. According to a Travis County Sheriff's Office report, Guinne and David-Campbell told investigators that during the therapy session, Christina told them that Danny had penetrated her vagina with an ink pen on numerous occasions and that he "'pee[s] and poops' on her and it comes out of his bottom."

In the following weeks, Christina's allegations against the Kellers became more disturbing and confounding. By the end of the year, Christina had said not only that Fran and Danny had molested her but that two other people – a dark-haired woman and a man that looked like country singer Kenny Rogers – had also come to the day care to partake in the abuse. She said that she'd been poked with needles by the Kellers and that Danny had dug a hole in the back yard and put her in it. She related tales of the Kellers torturing and killing animals and said that the Kellers had murdered, decapitated, and disemboweled a baby. According to case records, all these horrific actions had occurred during the 13 times Christina had attended the day care, without any parent or other adult noticing anything amiss.

By the end of 1991, two other children began to tell similar stories. Vijay Staelin, who was also seeing therapist David-Campbell, told his mom that Danny had made him eat poop and drink pee. And Brendan Nash – his mother told the television show American Justice – said the Kellers had held a gun to his head and forced him to assault his infant sister while they videotaped the abuse.

There was little physical evidence to support the children's stories. Christina was examined at Brackenridge Hospital the evening she made her first outcry, and the emergency room doctor said that he saw signs that her outer genitalia were red and that there was some deformity to her hymen. He concluded that the injuries could be consistent with sexual abuse but could not rule out the possibility that there was another cause – a tentative conclusion that would turn out to be the only physical evidence ever provided in the case. Christina and Brendan were subjected to forensic interviews by the Sheriff's Office, but none was certainly confirming nor corroborated by any physical evidence.

Most damning at trial was a statement given to police nearly a year after Christina's first outcry by an acquaintance of the Kellers, Doug Perry, who told investigators that he and his wife, former Travis Co. Precinct 3 Deputy Constable Janise White and her Precinct 3 partner, Raul Quintero, had taken part in abusing the children while at the Kellers' house one Friday afternoon. Perry recanted that confession shortly thereafter, however, claiming he'd been coerced into making it by Texas Rangers. No videotape or photographic evidence of abuse was ever found, and police never found any corpses – animal or human – to back up any of the children's wilder tales.

Nonetheless, a grand jury indicted the Kellers in late 1991 for sexually assaulting Christina – and, subsequently, indicted Perry, White, and Quintero on similar charges. Fran and Danny Keller were shocked. "It was like a nightmare," said Fran. "I think with an accusation like this, the presumption that you're guilty is strong."


Traumatic Origin

Fran and Danny Keller had been married about a year when they moved into a ranch-style brick home on Thomas Springs Road, northwest of the Y in Oak Hill. They'd been living in an apartment, but Fran, a country girl at heart, was eager to find something out of town. "I like gardens, and I like animals," she said recently. "I just wanted someplace in the country." The couple found the three-bedroom home owned by Julia Dietz, who has remained friends with the Kellers. "They were nice people," she says.

The couple leased the home on July 1, 1988, and immediately began work on the property. Danny, a manager of the county's Precinct 3 road crew, put in a stone walkway to the front door and began clearing cedar in the back yard, where the couple pastured their horse, Fancy Dancer; Fran planted a garden. The couple had been in the home just more than a year when Fran decided she was tired of working at the H-E-B. When her former boss gave birth to a son, Fran began to care for him while his mother was at work. It wasn't long before Fran was taking in other kids, referred to her by friends and neighbors. Eventually, she put a sign up in the front yard advertising her services. "It was wonderful. I taught the kids how to garden," she says, "and we had a big back yard, and we bought a pool for the kids. And we had sand all over the yard. ... We built one of those big wooden gyms. ... We had a horse, and [the kids] would take rides on the horse."

By 1991, Danny had retired; he tended the property and helped with the kids, taking them out for rides on the horse or pulling them in a large wagon behind his riding lawn mower. Teresa Chambers, a former paramedic, says the environment the Kellers had created was the main reason she put her two children in day care with Fran. "I took a tour of the house; it was clean. There was one particular room that was the kids' room. There was fishing net on the wall holding up stuffed animals," Chambers recalled. She was also impressed by the animals (in addition to the horse, the Kellers had six doves, a pair of parakeets, a dog, and a cat) and the garden. "I thought ... this is so cool for kids!" By the summer of 1991, the Kellers were regularly taking in between eight and 10 kids each day – including Christina Chaviers and Vijay Staelin, both 3, and Brendan Nash, then 5.



Frances Keller
Photo by Jana Birchum

By all accounts, before she ever spent a moment at the Kellers, Christina was a troubled child. In the summer of 1991, her parents, Rick and Suzanne, were embroiled in a bitter divorce, marked in part, recalls Rick, by accusations that he had been abusive toward his wife and toddler daughter. "We were both evaluated, and [Suzanne] came out as passive-aggressive, and I was a dumbshit with an average IQ," he says. But Suzanne "got to court first and said I was abusive and all that stuff." (Suzanne Guinne, now Stratton, did not respond to phone calls or e-mail requesting an interview for this story; Christina Chaviers did not respond to similar requests.) Guinne, an interior designer, told the court that the reason she sought day care for Christina was so she'd have a place to take her daughter while she ran errands related to the divorce – to court, to see her lawyer, to attend counseling. Christina attended Fran's Day Care no more than 13 times; prior to that year, she had rarely been away from her mother's side. At the same time she began dropping Christina off for day care at the Kellers, in May 1991, Guinne began taking her daughter to see David-Campbell.

According to the therapist's testimony at the Kellers' trial, Christina's behaviors were among the worst she'd ever seen. Christina had been "acting out" for months, she said, long before the child began going to Fran's Day Care. She was violent toward her mother and often bit her; she once tried to jump out of a moving car; she was behaving like a dog, eating and drinking from a bowl and defecating in the back yard; she once tried to stab the family's dog with a fork. She was inserting toys into her vagina – mostly marbles and crayons – and she was already using rough language, including the phrase "butt fuck." Whether David-Campbell was able to identify the cause of Christina's behavioral issues or whether her behavior improved with therapy isn't clear. (David-Campbell told the court that, by the end of 1992, she'd seen Christina roughly 150 times and that Christina's behaviors would wax and wane.) But as the summer of 1991 wore on, she said, Christina's behaviors were definitely getting worse.

In mid-August, Guinne and David-Campbell said later, they believed they had found the answer to why Christina was so ill-behaved. It didn't explain why Christina had been acting out for so long and in so many different ways, but neither her mother nor her therapist acknowledged that in court. Instead, they moved quickly to a single explanation: Christina had been abused at Fran's Day Care.

On Aug. 15, 1991, Guinne picked Christina up from the Kellers' at about 1:30pm, to take her to a 2pm session with David-Campbell. According to Guinne, she was driving on MoPac toward the therapist's office when Christina volunteered that she didn't like Danny. "I asked her why," Guinne testified in November 1992. "She said that he hurt her – he had hurt her and pulled her panties down and spanked her and he pooed and peed on her head." Guinne said she decided not to ask too many questions, "because I didn't know how to handle that exactly and figured that we were going to counseling and that was the best place to handle all of whatever she had to say."

At the office, David-Campbell brought out a pair of anatomically correct dolls for Christina – so she could show the therapist and mother what it was that Danny had done. After Danny defecated on her head, she said, Fran washed it out "with blue shampoo." Then, she said, Danny "had taken a writing pen and put it up her," Guinne told the court. Christina then started pointing to the hole on the female doll that represents a vagina and "started showing us" where the pen had gone. "[W]e asked her, 'One time?' And she said no," Guinne said. "She started counting on her fingers, lots of times, started going, 'One, two, three, four, five.'"

That evening at home, Guinne said she heard Christina crying in the bathroom. She told her mother that it "hurts inside" when she urinated. Christina kept pointing to her vagina and contorting her labia to make her genitalia look like "a face." She said that Danny had taught her that. Then Christina said that there was also "glue" stuck inside her – she said, "Danny took his pee-pee and put it in her hole and got glue all stuck inside and all over her, and it was yucky." Guinne called the doctor and rushed Christina to Brackenridge.

Dr. Michael Mouw was on duty in the Brack­en­ridge emergency room when Guinne arrived with her daughter just after 11pm. In five years of medical practice, Mouw had evaluated approximately 30 children who were suspected victims of sexual abuse, but he did not have specialized training in that area, he told jurors. Guinne told Mouw that in the previous weeks her daughter had been "crawling behind furniture and trying to insert toys into her vagina," Mouw recalled in court. Guinne also told him that Christina had previously been abused. Mouw tested for semen but found nothing. He did, however, find that Christina's genitalia were red and noted "what appeared to be lacerations to the hymen at three and nine o'clock," he testified.

Could the injuries be "of a traumatic origin?" Assistant District Attorney Bryan Case asked.

"Yes," he said, and could be "consistent" with an allegation of sexual abuse.

Under defense questioning, Mouw testified that the injuries could also have been the result of Christina's own actions.


Bad Witnesses

Roger Wade, now the affable spokesman for the Travis Co. Sheriff's Office, was the department's only child abuse investigator at the time. When he arrived at work on Aug. 16, 1991, there was a new case waiting for him: an allegation that Christina Chaviers had been sexually abused at Fran's Day Care. Immediately, Wade thought of the McMartin Preschool case, a notorious day care abuse case in California that had dragged on for a decade – he did not want that to happen here. "My greatest fear was that it would turn into a long, drawn-out McMartin case. I didn't want that to happen; I wanted to do it right," he recently recalled. (See "The Satanic Abuse Scare.")

Wade set out to investigate. He visited Christina, her mother, and therapist David-Campbell that day and called in one of the TCSO's video interviewers, Karen Knox, to sit down with Christina for a forensic interview – a 13-minute session that produced, at best, mixed results. Under Knox's urging, Christina, at one point, said that Danny had touched her with his penis, but several minutes later said that Danny had neither touched nor hurt her. (See "Children and Testimony.")

Wade called in a state child-care licensing investigator, and the pair went to visit Fran and Danny. They told them there had been an allegation of sexual abuse; the couple denied any wrongdoing. Moreover, Fran told Wade he should be wary of any allegations coming from Christina, because she was a troubled girl whom she'd caught in several small lies. Wade told Danny there was medical evidence that showed the girl had been molested. Danny again denied he'd done anything and "continued to say that he did not abuse any kids and that anyone who would should be shot and put out of their misery," Wade wrote in his report. Wade and the licensing investigator advised the Kellers that Danny should have no contact with the children while the investigation was ongoing.

Five days later, Wade got a call from David-Campbell, who told him that during their session that day, Christina had picked up the anatomically correct dolls, undressed them, and then demonstrated how Danny had penetrated her with his penis. Moreover, David-Campbell said that Christina was now saying that Fran had performed oral sex on her and had forced her to perform the same on Fran. Christina's story was "believable," David-Campbell offered, "and she has no doubt that the sexual abuse took place," Wade wrote in his report. The therapist also said that she had a new patient, Vijay Staelin, who was also a child in day care at the Kellers' – if she thought the child had been abused at Fran's, she told Wade, she'd be sure to call.



Julia Dietz
Photo by Jana Birchum

Wade brought Christina back to the office for a second interview, this time to discuss the allegations regarding Fran. But Christina refused to talk with the interviewer, Ester Vela, who was filling in for Knox; Christina left the interview room several times, pretended to be asleep, and tried to convince Vela to let her watch TV. Vela ended the interview, and Wade decided to reschedule the meeting after Knox returned from vacation.

But Wade's straightforward investigation soon began to go sideways. Vijay's father, Earl Staelin, called to say his son was acting strangely – crawling around on the floor when he already knew how to walk, for example. And, he said, Vijay was coming home "exhausted after just a half day at Fran's." Indeed, Earl told the Chronicle that he and his wife began to suspect that Vijay was being drugged by the Kellers. His wife, Carol Staelin, "observed that he'd come [home] like he had been drugged, with rings around his eyes," he recently recalled.

As the investigation moved into the fall, allegations against the Kellers began to accumulate. Sandra Nash called to say that her 5-year-old son, Brendan, told his therapist that there were "secrets at Fran and Danny's house." The day care was officially shut down in September, pending the outcome of the investigation, and Wade began getting regular phone calls from the parents of all three children, wanting to fill him in on allegations their children were making during therapy sessions and at home under questioning by their parents. In early October, Carol called to say that Vijay said "pee pee on hair" and that Danny did it; later, she said, Vijay told her that Danny had put a rope around all the kids' necks and said he would "cut off [Vijay's] head with a knife" if he told "any secrets." Suzanne Guinne called to tell Wade that Christina said the Kellers had poked her legs with needles – Guinne also now thought the kids may have been drugged. Carol Staelin called again, saying that Vijay told her the Kellers had made him drink "pee" and eat "poo"; in a subsequent call, she told Wade that Vijay reported that Danny had killed the Kellers' dog. Wade assured her that he'd seen the dog when he was at the Kellers' house and that he was "very much alive."

In mid-October, David-Campbell called to say that Vijay and Christina were now telling her similar stories about the Kellers abusing animals – stomping on cats, sticking them with pens, and putting them in bags and tossing them in a Dumpster. And, she said, she'd come to the conclusion that the children may have been victims of "ritual abuse" at the day care. Later, Wade said, the therapist said the abuse might have been "satanic."

The allegations against the couple, Wade said recently, kept coming, each more elaborate than the last. The children said the Kellers took the kids on plane rides, dug up bodies at a cemetery, made them drink Kool-Aid infused with blood, killed a baby, and tortured several small animals. The Kellers "had chopping knives, and they tied [Brendan's] arm down and told him to lay with his arm out and to close his eyes, and they made a big chop down with the knife," Sandra Nash told the television show American Justice in 1993. "And they told him not to look, that Daniel Keller had chopped off his arm, [and] that they took out the bone and they put ... Satan's bone" in its place. (Sean and Sandra Nash did not respond to an interview request. Brendan Nash could not be reached.)

All of these elaborate abuses, the children said, happened at the Kellers' day care – a place where parents (and often neighbors) dropped by at all different times of the day. Wade was becoming increasingly skeptical. He began to question David-Campbell's methods and expertise. "That was one of the things about this case. ... To me it appeared she was ... someone unfamiliar with forensic interviewing," Wade said recently. "I was continually trying to figure out how the little girl would've come up with [these stories]. As we got further into the case and I started talking to the therapist," Wade began to suspect that some of the stories were coming from her. He continued, "You can ask a child a certain thing a certain way, and they'll say, 'yes.' And you can ask a certain thing a different way, and they'll say, 'no.'" (David-Campbell did not respond to phone calls requesting an interview for this story.)

Wade was also concerned that the children's parents had (perhaps unwittingly) influenced their children by repeatedly questioning them about what bad things happened at day care. The investigation was beginning to look more and more like the McMartin fiasco. Indeed, many of the allegations by the children from Fran's Day Care were eerily similar to those made by children in the McMartin case. In that case, a number of the children, now adults, have come forward to say that the allegations they made were not true. Notably, in a 2005 Los Angeles Times story, former McMartin child Kyle Zirpolo said that he'd made up stories after strenuous and repeated questioning by therapists and parents who simply wouldn't accept his early assurances that no abuse had taken place. "It was an ordeal," he told journalist Debbie Nathan. "I remember thinking to myself, 'I'm not going to get out of here unless I tell them what they want to hear.'"

Wade said dealing with the parents involved in the Keller case was frustrating. To an adult, for example, Christina's allegation that Danny had put "glue" into her might sound damning, but Wade wondered where she might have come up with that language. He asked Christina's mother. Actually, Guinne told him, Christina "had been playing with glue at the house" that night before telling her mother "that Danny put glue inside of her," Wade wrote in his report. "Suzanne said she thought that [Christina] just put the two together." But Guinne insisted she never told Christina to "say anything" and had "no reason to 'get'" the Kellers.

When other parents began calling him, Wade asked Guinne whether she'd had any contact with anyone from the day care since reporting the alleged abuse. Guinne told him she'd "purposely" stayed away from the other children but that she had called the parents to tell them about the allegations of abuse and that they might not want to take their kids there. During October 1991, Wade admonished her on at least two occasions not to contact the other parents – whether she heeded his advice is unclear. "It was rather frustrating when you have parents that are connected to each other ... that really want to get together and compare notes, but I tried to discourage that because it made them bad witnesses," said Wade. "I was getting frustrated with the whole case. And the longer it went on, the more embellishments were coming from the kids. Part of the problem was that ... the kids were going to the same counselor." The other problem, he felt sure, was that the parents were urging their kids to reveal more details – and as it was with McMartin, Wade feels certain that was the origin of many of the allegations. Many years later, Wade believes that some abuse had taken place – but that the wild tales made it impossible to determine the nature or extent of any actual abuse. "Overzealous parents and therapists who wanted more information," he said. "I think [they were pushing the kids] trying to get them to talk, and the kids were expanding on things to get them to be quiet."


Graveyard Rituals

That's not how prosecutors Case and Ship­way saw things. "I think kids are pretty easily intimidated, and they don't always understand what is going on," said Shipway. While some of the allegations might sound wild, she and Case believe they were actually the result of conscious actions by the Kellers that were designed to scare the kids. For example, said Shipway, one of the allegations Christina made was that the Kellers had threatened to throw her to the sharks. "Well, we didn't know where that came from" until the end of the trial, when a witness mentioned that the Kellers had small blow-up sharks in the backyard pool. "So you could see how somebody says, 'You [tell], and we're going to throw you in with the sharks,'" she said. "Because she's real young." Case agrees: "That's pretty common. And sometimes the threats are strange. ... That wouldn't make sense to an adult, because an adult would say, well, a person could never do that," he said. "But nevertheless, that could intimidate a child." Overall, the prosecutors say, the children's allegations were believable.

Wade still wasn't convinced, but then the case shifted in yet a different direction. According to Christina, the Kellers had help abusing the children from a dark-haired woman and a man that looked like Kenny Rogers. As it turns out, Danny Keller was a longtime friend of Precinct 3 Deputy Constable Janise White, and it wasn't long before White and her partner, Raul Quintero, were in the investigative spotlight. Wade, who was close to White, didn't feel that he could go any further with the case, which is what he told Rosemary Lehmberg, then head of the D.A.'s child abuse division and recently elected Travis Co. D.A. "We all sat down, and I said, 'I've gone as far as I want to go, as far as I can go,'" Wade said.

As a result, to avoid potential conflicts, the case was moved to the Austin Police Department, where then-Sgt. Larry Oliver was one of two officers who took up the investigation. Oliver's job was to get to know the kids and their families. "I'm dealing with the kids," he said, "not ... the bad guys." The families were suspicious of him at first, he recalled, because they didn't think the Sheriff's Office had taken their stories seriously.

Oliver did. "My job was to establish trust so that I could interview the kids." He met with Christina and her mother at the Oak Hill McDonald's and went on drives in the area, during which the little girl would point out places she said she'd been taken by the Kellers. "We heard from the kids that they'd dug up a body at the cemetery," Oliver recalled. So he took Christina to a small private cemetery just down the road from the Kellers' home. To Oliver it seemed clear that Christina had been there before – moreover, he said, there was at least one grave site there that "looked like" it had been disturbed. "I walked around with a video camera; she walked around and said, 'Yes, we'd been here, and we did this,'" he said. At the Kellers' trial, police witnesses revealed that they'd even had a Department of Public Safety helicopter fly over the cemetery with an infrared camera, looking for a heat signature that would confirm that a grave had been disturbed. Case told American Justice that he too had seen disturbed graves at the cemetery – including one from 1970 that had fresh dirt on it.

Asked recently about this history, a cemetery representative told the Chronicle that the police had indeed been to the site asking questions, and they were told that there was a simple explanation for the grave that looked disturbed: A man had been buried there without a concrete vault, and his coffin kept sinking, so the man's son often added dirt to the site. "It was a continuous thing," the cemetery representative said. "There was nothing going on there." Although the police supposedly had this information, Danny Keller's defense attorney Dain Whitworth said it was not disclosed to the defense. "We never got it," he said. Knowing that information, Whitworth added, would have helped the defense counter the sensational testimony, suggested the children's accusations were unreliable, or even prevented the state from introducing that entire line of testimony.



Sgt. Larry Oliver
Photo by Jana Birchum

Case said that Shipway recently reviewed the APD reports and found no mention of anyone from the cemetery telling police about a reason that fresh dirt would be used on the grave. She asked APD's Oliver if he had any independent recollection of that exchange, Case wrote, but Oliver said that "no one told him that anyone had been pouring earth on any of the graves as maintenance." In fact, while Oliver did record details of visiting the cemetery in his report, there's no indication there that anyone from the department ever sought out the cemetery owners to inquire about the possibility that graves had been disturbed. That entire line of investigation, it seems, was ignored.

The state's case against the Kellers was strong enough to secure indictments against the couple and, eventually, against deputy con­stables White and Quintero, thanks in large part to a "confession" provided to Texas Rangers by White's ex-husband, Doug Perry. White was a good friend of Danny Keller's, and after she and Perry married, the two couples socialized regularly. Nearly a year after the investigation began, Texas Rangers questioned Perry at the DPS offices. After four hours of questioning, he signed a confession, saying he had participated in a "beer and sex party" (as it was described in news reports) with the Kellers, White, and Quintero, where the adults took turns abusing Christina and Brendan, whom Perry identified only after the Rangers showed him video of the two children. White supposedly took pictures of the incident, which Perry said he'd seen.

Within weeks, however, Perry recanted, saying that the Rangers had coerced him into making the statement. He said they had told Perry there were several witnesses who said he had been at the day care. "At this time I started giving them the first statement," Perry wrote in an August 1992 affidavit. "I was scared because the officers were not believing me so I started making up a story. I basically started telling them what I thought they wanted to hear." Notably, the Rangers made no audio or video recording of Perry's interview. His confession was graphic but not particularly compelling in detail. What details there were, Perry said, were gleaned from information contained in a TCSO report that White had brought home. (White later denied ever reading the report.)

The prosecutors did not – and do not – believe Perry's recantation. "I don't think we put too much stock in the recantation," said Case, in part because it is not uncommon for suspects to recant – particularly in universally unsavory child sex-abuse cases. But it is also not uncommon for innocent people to confess to notorious crimes – it's one of the reasons investigators withhold significant details that only the actual offender would know.

Wade does not believe Perry's confession at all. "I never understood why he would confess, when, obviously, he didn't have any involvement and none of that happened," he said. "It came out afterward that [White and Quintero] had nothing to do with it." After the Kellers were convicted, the D.A.'s office dropped the charges against White and Quintero. Perry was never tried but pled guilty and was sentenced to 10 years probation. He's now in prison for failing to keep current his sex offender registration.

The Keller prosecutors dismiss Perry's assertion that he'd repeated details from the TCSO report, but Wade believes that was precisely the source of Perry's information. Wade said a number of TCSO employees were logging on to the department computers to read Wade's reports, and he was alerted by a clerk that White, a former deputy, was among them. It got so bad, he said, that for a while he stopped entering any information into the computer.

Attorney Joe Turner, who represented Quin­tero, said that Perry's confession was not at all believable and that it calls into question the case against the Kellers. If the case was so strong without Perry's confession and if the state was sure about the stories the children were telling them, why were the charges against his client dropped? "If [Christina] is not believed on my case, how is [she] believable in a case that ends up with people serving time in prison?" he asks. "Anybody looking at it would have to question" that. (In a letter to the Chronicle, Perry insisted that his confession was coerced. "I wish that I could change everything, but I can't," he wrote. "I'm only hoping that the Kellers will find it in their hearts to forgive me.")

Although Perry had recanted, Shipway and Case successfully argued to District Judge William Flowers that he should be compelled to testify – and when he said on the stand that he had not abused the children and that the Kellers did not either, they were able to introduce his confession as a means of impeaching his testimony. Defense attorney Whitworth argued that it was improper for the state to call a witness only to impeach him. Flowers allowed the questionable testimony to go forward but approved a jury charge instructing jurors not to give evidentiary weight to any impeachment testimony affecting a witness' credibility.

The damage, however, had been done, said Whitworth. One juror, a University of Texas professor who spoke to the Chronicle but asked not to be identified by name, was convinced during the trial that the Kellers were being subjected to a witch hunt, as part of the national wave of sensational day care abuse cases. That was until Perry took the stand. A final holdout, the juror recalls ultimately voting for conviction because of Perry's introduced confession – once it was out there, how could the jury be expected to ignore it? Still, the juror had serious qualms about the evidence – and after the verdict was read, fled to the bathroom and wept.


Satan's Arm Bone

Prosecutor Case insists that the state did not rely solely on Perry's confession for its conviction. What "cinched" the case, Case said recently, was the testimony of Brendan Nash. Brendan spoke to jurors via closed-circuit TV and was very vocal about all the things he said happened at "hate care." He said he'd seen Fran and Danny abuse Christina and that the couple had taken the kids to a "graveyard and dug up this body." They made Christina carry all the bones that they dug up, he said.

Yet Brendan's testimony at trial departed strikingly from what he told TCSO interviewer Ester Vela during his first interview in 1991. There, Brendan said that he did know that there were some things that Danny did that were wrong – he took out a chain saw to cut down trees in the back yard; he allowed Brendan to ride on the lawn mower; he had two guns in the house, a pistol and a shotgun; and he let Brendan ride in the pickup truck to get hay for the horse, Fancy Dancer. When Vela asked if Brendan knew about Christina getting hurt, he said he knew she had and said that "Danny could've been the one that did it." But he said he liked the day care and that no one had ever touched him improperly. When Vela asked if he had any secrets about day care, he said no. "Are you telling me what really happened over at Fran and Danny's house?" Vela asked.

"Yes," he said.

It's not surprising that Brendan did not make any allegations during his first forensic interview, insists Case, because it is not "unusual" for kids not to open up about abuse the first time around. "It would take a long time, because a child of those years might be very uncomfortable and uneasy with it." Case said that it wasn't until right before the start of the trial that Brendan finally acknowledged what happened at day care, and in fact, Case said that he was the one to whom Brendan opened up, during an interview in his office on a Sunday afternoon.

Case did not record that interview. "Frankly, it never crossed my mind to record him," he said – but, in retrospect, he said he wished he had done so, "because your hair would stand up too if you heard" what Brendan had to say. Case said that Brendan said the Kellers had performed a ritual on him in which they said they replaced his arm with the arm bone of Satan. When asked at trial why he didn't tell Vela what had happened with Christina, Brendan said that was "because Fran and Danny ... gave us these drugs that won't make us remember ... very long." He knew he'd been drugged, he said, because "God told me."



The private Oak Hill cemetery where investigators alleged that children were taken by the Kellers
Photo by Jana Birchum

Defense attorney Whitworth cross-examined Brendan. "How many times have your mommy and daddy talked to you about all of this?" he asked Brendan. "Well, I have to count that one," he said. Brendan said that in addition to talking with the prosecutors, police, and a therapist, he'd talked with his parents 21 times about the Kellers' day care.

Case says he tried to determine whether anyone had been suggesting things to Brendan, but the child's mother, Sandra Nash, insisted she had not. "I mean, you know, could people be pulling the wool over our eyes?" Case asked. "They could, yeah, theoretically." Ultimately, he does not believe that a child would make these things up. That belief was shared by APD's investigator Larry Oliver and, especially, therapist David-Campbell, who told jurors that children simply don't create stories out of whole cloth. "With a child ... they don't have the cognitive, the mental abilities to make up stories unless they have seen something or if a story has been read to them," David-Campbell said.

In fact, there is a growing body of psychological research reflecting that, essentially, the opposite is true – that children can easily be led to make up stories and even come to believe those stories – often with the help of inexperienced or credulous interviewers. Moreover, experts on the forensic interviewing of children say that the recorded Keller case interviews are prime examples of poor technique and manufactured testimony – effectively useless as evidence. (See "Children and Testimony.")


'Your Case Is Incredible'

Veteran Austin social worker Vivian Lewis, who began her career as a teacher and Child Protective Services caseworker (and, eventually, a child interviewer for the Austin Police Depart­ment), says she was first shown the interview tapes from the Keller case by prosecutors. Now, she says, she actually uses them in seminars across the country (notably, with Depart­ment of Defense child abuse investigators), as examples of how not to interview children. The interviews are rife with "pressure, leading questions, promises of rewards: 'Tell me what Danny did' – really leading questions for a child that age," she said. "I don't know about you, but if you've got a surprise for me, I'll tell you whatever you want to know."

In fact, Lewis says that after the allegations of abuse at Fran's Day Care broke, a number of parents of children who'd taken their kids to the Kellers' brought their children to Lewis. "I did extensive interviewing. I feel strongly [that] I did not interview any child who had any [signs of being] abused in their care," she said. "So it was very peculiar to me. I probably interviewed eight or nine of those kids, male and female. The parents brought them to me just frantic," she continued. "There was just nothing that I could get out of them."

The fact that the children Lewis independently interviewed showed no signs of abuse piqued her interest about what Christina and Brendan had told prosecutors, so she asked to see the tapes. What she saw intensified her concern that the D.A.'s case was without merit, which is exactly what she told Case, she said recently. "I said, 'Your case is incredible.' He said, 'That means it's not true.' I said, 'That's why I used that word.'" She said she explained the problems she found on the tapes, but her concerns were ignored by the D.A.'s office, so Lewis sought out the Kellers' defenders. "I left a message for the defense attorney, that I was very concerned about the videotapes. I never heard back." Whitworth says now he was not aware of Lewis' involvement, and Case did not respond to additional questions regarding Lewis' account. But in a recent interview, prosecutors said they were only aware of one parent – a friend of the Kellers, they said – who came forward saying that she did not believe her children had been abused and that the Kellers were innocent.

Yet at least one other parent, Teresa Chambers, who had two children in day care at the Kellers' home, told the Chronicle she also found no signs that her children had been abused. Chambers interviewed Fran Keller before deciding to enroll her kids there; she was cautious because her older son had previously been physically abused in day care and sustained a serious head injury. She met with Fran and toured the house before deciding to leave her children there. When the allegations of abuse broke, Chambers said she was contacted by investigators who told her that there was video evidence of abuse. "I want[ed] to know if my children are on those videotapes. I wanted to know what [police] had, specifically," she recalled. The investigator, whose name she could not remember, "said, 'Just assume that all the children at that day care were abused.' This is verbatim; I remember it as if it were yesterday." She looked for signs, but never found any.

And police never found any photos or videotape evidence of any abuse.

Prosecutors Case and Shipway say they reviewed the children's interviews, keeping an eye out for any bias from the interviewers or problems with suggestive questioning. They said they found none. "I think they were conducted well," said Shipway. "The important thing was that it was on video. So if it was leading questions or something was improper, the defense could see that and bring it to the jury." But if the accusations made on the tapes are the result of flawed interviewing techniques, it becomes difficult, if not impossible, to determine whether Christina (or other children) was actually abused, says James Wood, a psychology professor at the University of Texas at El Paso and a nationally recognized expert in children's suggestibility and child interviewing. In other words, it raises questions about whether a crime ever happened.

Sheriff's investigator Wade says he felt that the parents and therapists were complicit in eliciting the more fantastical allegations from the children – allegations he did not believe. And those just got in the way of the basic, first abuse allegation that Christina made, the one for which the state had its single piece of physical evidence – Dr. Mouw's report that Christina might have been sexually abused. That convinced Wade that Christina had been abused at the day care. "I truly believe there was some abuse, and I believe Fran and Danny did it," he said. "Had we not had the physical evidence, it wouldn't be as good a case because there would have been ... doubt."


Doubtful Diagnosis

But was there really any physical evidence of abuse?

Contacted for this story, Dr. Michael Mouw, who examined Christina at Brackenridge Hospital on Aug. 15, 1991, now says he's not so sure that what he saw during his genital examination was, in fact, abuse. "I'll be straight-up honest with you, I could've been wrong about [this]," he said. "At the time, in good faith, I saw something [I thought] was abnormal" about Christina's hymen. "However, in retrospect, knowing what I know now, [having] seen more detailed photos" of normal hymens and "knowing how to do exams" with newer, more precise medical equipment, Mouw said he isn't at all sure he would come to the same conclusion. He said he remembers sitting in a presentation several years after the Keller case where he was learning about advancements in the understanding of what "normal" genitalia look like "and thinking back to this case," he said. Mouw said he remembered being shown pictures of "normal variants" on the appearance of hymens, "and I remember seeing a picture that kind of reminded me of that case, and I said, 'Huh.' I hadn't seen it before, but it was described in that talk as being normal," he said. "I think that if I had that case now, I'd probably decline to [do the exam and would] send it to an expert. And I would decline to testify."

Mouw said he had been unaware, but is concerned, that his was the only piece of physical evidence prosecutors had to back up the allegation that Christina had been abused. In part, he said, his conclusion might have been influenced by the guilt bias that tends to prevail in the emergency room: "In the ER it is always guilty until proven innocent. I'm serious. My attitude has evolved away from that," he said. "And I'm always interested in protecting children, but I think there is a lot of rush to judgment." Although Mouw said that he saw something that night that was not "normal to me," he might have been wrong. "This is my long way of saying that I wouldn't touch that [case] with a 10-foot pole now."

Without the physical evidence provided by Mouw, the state's case against the Kellers would have been seriously weakened. Defense attorney Whitworth thought the fantastic allegations of the children – graveyard rituals, airplane flights to Mexico that could not have occurred, physically impossible actions – would undercut their believability. It didn't work that way in court.



Danny Keller riding Fancy Dancer with one of the kids at the day care
Photo courtesy of the Kellers

Instead, prosecutors called to the stand a clinical psychologist and controversial "expert" in satanic ritual abuse. On the stand, psychologist and self-described satanic ritual abuse expert James Noblitt said that he had reviewed David-Campbell's files on Christina as well as the video interviews of the children and found no evidence that anyone was influencing them to make the allegations. Because of the level of detail in her allegations, Noblitt testified, "I don't think it is likely that [Christina] got these ideas from any external source." He testified about the "death and rebirth themes" in cult rituals and, without objection from the defense, laid out his version of the infamous Salem witch trials and described how this case was definitely different than those. In that situation, "little girls" were describing "fantasy events" that didn't happen. Here, the children have described real events. "This is no witch hunt," he said.

Professor Wood was stunned that Noblitt's testimony was allowed into evidence: "Austin, you know, has a reputation for being progressive and an intellectually enlightened city. So it is really shocking to learn that a D.A. there put an expert on the stand to testify to the reality of 'witchcraft' – satanic ritual abuse – and that a judge allowed it into evidence. ... I've never seen that on any other case I've been on."


Withheld Information

The defense was hamstrung at trial and incapable at times of countering such testimony, in part because of their restricted access to critical evidence – such as David-Campbell's reports, the children's videos, the police reports, and Dr. Mouw's medical report. For example, while the state had the luxury of giving to Noblitt all of the documents related to the case before he testified, the defense had no access to any of those documents until the trial, which meant its expert, psychologist George Parker, had few specifics to offer the jury about his assessment of the case. Moreover, the defense was not given documents – such as David-Campbell's therapy notes – until it came time for them to cross-examine the state's witnesses, which often made their examinations of the witnesses seem choppy at best and inevitably incomplete.

Whitworth said recently that he was frustrated by the way the D.A.'s office made information available to the defense. "They handled it differently than other cases," he said. "On other cases, they always had an open file policy. Here, they'd read parts of the file [to the defense], but we never knew what they were referring to – you never knew what they were reading from" or how it fit into the bigger picture. "They'd read us parts of the reports, but they wouldn't give us any of the stuff until it was our turn to cross[-examine witnesses]." As a result, he said, the whole trial was "what's going to happen next?"

It also appears there was a good deal of information that Whitworth and co-counsel Lewis Jones simply did not have any access to during trial or thereafter – information that could have cast further doubt on the children's stories.

For example, in August 1993, nine months after the Kellers were convicted, Brendan Nash's parents, Sean and Sandra, filed civil suits against a laundry list of defendants they claimed were responsible for their children being abused at Fran's Day Care, seeking a total of $12.5 million in compensation. In addition to suing Fran and Danny Keller, Raul Quintero, Janise White, and Doug Perry – in hopes of getting a judgment against their homeowners insurance policies – the Nashes' suit cited a host of other defendants, including the Kellers' landlord, Julia Dietz, and others in the neighborhood: Hillside Bar owner Marilyn Cobb, the Oak Hill Gymnastics Academy, and a man named John Trigg. According to the civil suit records, Brendan (and, likely Christina) had told police these additional people had also abused them. The Nashes claimed rituals were held on Dietz's property that "left physical evidence, such as places where fires had been, holes in the ground, animal bones, and dismembered children's toys," and Dietz knew, or should have known, the Nash boy and his infant sister were abused there. They alleged further that the children were taken to the Oak Hill Gymnastics Academy and to the Hillside Bar and were abused there and, finally, that they were taken to another private residence, where a man named John Trigg lived, where the children were "filmed while being abused at this property."

Although these broader allegations by the children are summarized in the APD investigative report, the Kellers and their attorneys only learned of these additional defendants after the trial and conviction, when the civil suits were filed. Indeed, responding to the allegations in the Nash suit, Trigg noted that he had been identified as a suspect during the original police investigation. According to the APD report, on a drive around the neighborhood with police, Brendan had pointed out the home Trigg had been living in as a place where he had been abused – "bad things" had happened there, he said. According to Brendan, Danny had taken the children there and abused them; films had been made, and the house had been modified in some way to "facilitate making these films," Trigg's attorney wrote in a court document. The court files also reflect that Trigg's possible involvement was investigated by police, and Trigg was ultimately cleared as not having been involved.

Trigg "didn't know these people; he didn't have a relationship with any of them," said Ginny Agnew, Trigg's attorney. "But because of the frenzy of the moment, when the child [pointed out the house Trigg was renting] and said something untoward had happened in his house," he got dragged into the case. Agnew says the police investigated and cleared Trigg before the Kellers ever went to trial. That information should have been in the police report, and prosecutors certainly should have given it to Whitworth. But it never was, Whitworth said, and it could've been extremely valuable for the defense to know that the children had fingered other suspects who were cleared by police of being involved in any abuse. "They knew stuff they did not provide to us," Whitworth says.

Additional information was uncovered by former Precinct 3 Constable Drew McAngus, who in 1992 worked for the Kellers' defense counsel as a private investigator. After the civil case was filed, he signed an affidavit saying he had discovered that Nash had made several allegations that were proven not true, information that had not been turned over to the defense. Whitworth filed a motion with the 3rd Court of Appeals, asking it to remand the case to district court for a hearing on the state's "failure to disclose exculpatory evidence." That did not happen, however, in part because shortly after they were convicted, the Kellers fired their appointed attorneys, opting instead to represent themselves on appeal.


Pain, Suffering, and Legal Procedure

Among the saddest aspects of their case is that in the quest to prove their innocence, Fran and Danny Keller may have been their own worst enemies. When initially indicted, they fled Austin, traveling to Las Vegas to stay with Fran's daughter. The media had a field day, and prosecutors played up the "flight" at trial as an indirect admission of guilt. The Kellers say they acted out of fear and were not in hiding. Neither had been in trouble with the law before, and they misunderstood the process, particularly the bonding process. Fran insists that when she asked their attorney, then Revis Kanak, what they should do, he responded that if he were in that position, he'd leave town. Taking the remark literally, Fran and Danny left, although they were readily traceable through their relatives. Kanak did not return phone calls from the Chronicle. (Federal public defender Mike Charlton, who worked on the Kellers' case for a while in the mid-Nineties, said that when he asked Kanak about the incident, the lawyer said only that he didn't recall making that remark.)

The Kellers were also blamed for not showing more emotion during the trial, with the implication that an outraged or shocked demeanor would have lent credence to their claims of innocence. Yet they recall that they were so stunned by the charges they felt as though they were living in a fog. Fran says she was determined to present a stoic, unwavering front – looking at the prosecutors would make her angry; looking at the jury would make her situation too real. "I never looked at the jury," she recalled last summer, "because I didn't want to seem weak. I didn't want to cry." Only when Christina took the stand on the second day of the Kellers' trial and denied that anything bad had happened at day care did Fran break down in tears. In the end, it didn't matter.

The Kellers' certainly erred in their decision to fire their appeal attorney – who Fran said she didn't think was paying enough attention to their case – and instead have Danny file their appeals on his own. Appeals work is detail-oriented and requires specialized legal training, and Danny did not do well. He did not make the right arguments – for example, he did not argue that Perry's testimony had been admitted improperly, an oversight that meant that argument was not preserved for later adjudication. That meant that the Kellers have never had their case fully reviewed by an appeals court. Whether they'll get that chance now is uncertain. Their case is being reviewed by the Innocence Project of Texas, says project general counsel Jeff Blackburn. "We believe that the Kellers are completely innocent," he said. "The problem is that because of the way this case has been handled by the previous lawyers and by the court system, we have to get through a procedural minefield to get back into court. But we are determined to do so, no matter how much money, time, or energy it takes."

Even should the Kellers ever be proven innocent, much damage has already been done – not only to the Kellers, or to the other "suspects" fingered by the children only to be cleared of any involvement, but also to the children themselves. When the Kellers were convicted and sentenced in 1992, Sandra Nash told local TV news that she would tell her son he'd done a good job. "We'll tell him that all of his pain and suffering and his coming forward has taken the power away from Fran and Danny," Nash said, "and given it back to the children." One of the other children involved in the case, Vijay Staelin, now 21, declined to be interviewed, except to briefly reiterate that Fran and Danny Keller had abused him.

During an interview at the state women's prison in Gatesville, I asked Fran Keller about Vijay's assertion. She broke down in tears. "On my life, on my children's lives," she said, "it did not happen."


Watch the video produced by Jana Birchum, including excerpts from one of the child forensic interviews with commentary by psychology professor James Wood. For more on the Keller case, see "Point Austin."


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AMSampietro Mar 31, 2009 - 11:07 pm
I find this story absolutely sickening; my heart broke into a million pieces while reading it. This case reminds me intensely of that of the "West Memphis Three" in Arkansas in which three teenagers, one of whom is on death row, were sentenced for the deaths of three children. The charges seem bogus and outrageous to any rational person; the bottom-line of the prosecution is that the accused listened to metal music and wore black clothes. No other evidence points to them. I understand the importance of listening to our children and acting in their best interests, but it seems that often our overzealous protection of them spawns a host of new victims. Ironically enough--and I speak from experience when I say this--most victims of child abuse, unfortunately, rarely speak out about the experience. Our country is lauded as being the most just and open-minded of all, but we have some serious overhauls to make in our courts to deserve that designation. My heart and prayers go out to the Kellers. I do sincerely hope that justice eventually prevails. Thank you for writing this important piece, Jordan Smith. It represents journalism at its best, and, while I am certain that it was a trying task you undertook, please know that you are greatly appreciated by those who read your work.


Incredibly one sided article smartnews Apr 01, 2009 - 09:05 pm
This is an incredibly biased and one sided article. Satanic ritual abuse and ritual abuse crimes do exist. For more information on this, see http://ritualabuse.us


Pam Nobiltt's reply - part one smartnews Apr 01, 2009 - 09:59 pm
I am very surprised that you decided to write about this significant case without interviewing James Randall (Randy) Noblitt, PhD. You cite his importance to the case against the Kellers and attribute specific quotes to him, however, you have not bothered to contact him for his perspective. Firstly, let me appraise you of Dr. Noblitt’s current status. He is a full professor on the faculty of the California School of Professional Psychology at Alliant International University in Los Angeles, California. He is the author of two books on the topic of ritual abuse: Cult and Ritual Abuse: Its History, Anthropology and Recent Discovery in Contemporary America (Rev. Ed., 2000, Praeger); and Ritual Abuse in the Twenty-first Century: Psychological, Forensic, Social and Political Considerations (2008, Robert Reed). He is a regular invited speaker at forums as varied as the American Anthropology Association’s annual meetings and the United Nations Annual Conference on the Status of Women. He was recently elected to the post of chair-elect for the Ritual Abuse Interest Group for the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation.

1. Your article is flawed and makes a number of incorrect assumptions. Since I was present for the trial and clearly you were not, let me address some of your concerns. Firstly, Randy was originally asked to advise the prosecution. The Fran’s Day Care case followed close on the heels of the McMartin Preschool case. The prosecution was interested in avoiding the mistakes of McMartin. Randy advised the prosecution to appoint different therapists for each of the alleged child victims and to forbid parents from sharing information about their children and the case with one another. As a result the children were able to disclose in their own time without pressure of danger of contamination and therapists were free to draw their own conclusions without pre-conceived notions about what may or may not have transpired. Secondly, Randy informed the prosecution of the nature of ritual abuse and the fact that much of it is founded on duplicity – the deceit practiced by perpetrators to confuse the victim and to dupe them into believing that they (the perpetrators) have supernatural powers. Thirdly, Randy advised the prosecution to focus on the sexual abuse case for which there was ample evidence. It was the defense that raised the specter of ritual abuse in an attempt to discredit the child victims.



Pam Noblitt's reply - part two smartnews Apr 01, 2009 - 10:01 pm
The defense introduced Richard Gardner’s book, Sex Abuse Hysteria: Salem Witch Trials Revisited (1991) into evidence. The prosecution called Randy to testify to respond to the allegations made in the book, including the one that all adults are potential pedophiles. Finally, there was considerable evidence to support the allegations against Fran and Dan Keller including their own testimony, their attempts to flee arrest, and other documentation that I cannot share since I don’t know what the prosecution’s position is on this matter. However, suffice to say that the prosecution had a very strong case, with or without Randy’s testimony. To my knowledge, the defense was not denied access to any information or evidence. Rather, they appeared (to me) to take a rather blasé approach to their defense of the Kellers, perhaps operating under the assumption that the children would not be believed.

If you truly have an interest in ritual abuse and its role in the exploitation of children, you need to do more research.

Sincerely,

Pamela Perskin Noblitt

Co-author, Cult and Ritual Abuse and

Ritual Abuse in the Twenty-first Century

Marina del Rey, California



this article is biased and one sided smartnews Apr 02, 2009 - 08:31 pm
For accurate information on satanic ritual abuse and child abuse crimes - see http://ritualabuse.us


AMSampietro Apr 02, 2009 - 09:28 pm
I feel the need to respond to the accusations that this piece is biased and one-sided. To say so is to state the obvious. It certainly is; I was aware of the nature of the article from the get-go. It is not poor journalism to present a biased article if the intent is persuasive in nature. As I see it, it needs to be. If the Kellers are innocent, then it is one of the only things being in done in their defense in the public eye. If they're guilty, well, they've been incarcerated for 18 years and might very well remain so. The alleged victims have been vindicated to the extent that the court is capable of doing so. Isn't an article in a free newspaper a small concession to make? At the very least, it keeps people aware and thinking, and, hopefully, cautious. I will add this: I work with children at preschools every day, and, not to beat a dead horse, many--if not most of them--tell me the most blatantly untrue (and occasionally awful) things. Once a 4-year old informed me that his parents were dead (true, unbeknownst to me), and the two children in his piano lesson immediately added that theirs were as well (not true at all) with the most sincerity and conviction I have ever heard in a child's voice.


Pam Nobiltt's reply - part two smartnews Apr 03, 2009 - 06:04 pm
The defense introduced Richard Gardner’s book, Sex Abuse Hysteria: Salem Witch Trials Revisited (1991) into evidence. The prosecution called Randy to testify to respond to the allegations made in the book, including the one that all adults are potential pedophiles. Finally, there was considerable evidence to support the allegations against Fran and Dan Keller including their own testimony, their attempts to flee arrest, and other documentation that I cannot share since I don’t know what the prosecution’s position is on this matter. However, suffice to say that the prosecution had a very strong case, with or without Randy’s testimony. To my knowledge, the defense was not denied access to any information or evidence. Rather, they appeared (to me) to take a rather blasé approach to their defense of the Kellers, perhaps operating under the assumption that the children would not be believed.

If you truly have an interest in ritual abuse and its role in the exploitation of children, you need to do more research.

Sincerely,

Pamela Perskin Noblitt

Co-author, Cult and Ritual Abuse and

Ritual Abuse in the Twenty-first Century

Marina del Rey, California



poor journalism smartnews Apr 03, 2009 - 06:07 pm
I disagree. I believe a journalist should present a well balanced article to their audience presenting all sides of the story. Otherwise the article does a disservice to the general public.


False allegations of child sexual abuse by children are rare smartnews Apr 05, 2009 - 09:03 pm
How often do children’s reports of abuse turn out to be false? Research has consistently shown that false allegations of child sexual abuse by children are rare.

In one study, only 1% of the total cases were children judged to have advanced a fictitious allegation.

In another, only 2.5% had instances of erroneous concerns about abuse emanating from children.

In fact, children tend to minimize and deny abuse, not exaggerate or over-report such incidents

http://ritualabuse.us/research/false-allegations-of-child-sexual-abuse-by-children-are-rare/



smartnews is kind of freaky anonymous Apr 06, 2009 - 09:47 am
You write like you have a grab-bag of answers at your fingertips and you're randomly pasting them to a billboard.

Just because the little girl was probably sexually abused and assaulted doesn't mean it was necessarily at the hands of the Kellers.

You seem a bit like a lunatic though, which undermines your credibility. I know it takes one to know one but anyone who knows me would say that's not putting you in the best place.



Scat Apr 06, 2009 - 10:09 am
If you'll look around smartnews the 80s was a heyday for 'Satanic Ritual Abuse' it was a fad, something like mullets.


Scat Apr 06, 2009 - 10:22 am
Let me clarify it was a fad among less than intelligent therapists and their ilk. Witch trials anyone?


politics & the justice system kelso Apr 06, 2009 - 11:30 am
"False allegations of child sexual abuse by children are rare"

When there are child custody battles between divorced parents, false allegations aren't as rare as you'd think.

It can cost multiple tens of thousands in legal fees to prove your innocence once a prosecutor from a backwoods county determines that you're guilty.



Scat Apr 06, 2009 - 02:01 pm
Accusations taken up by thuggish prosecutors and or Christian fundamentalists are the absolute best way to while away the time while waiting to get into a better school.


ritual abuse does exist smartnews Apr 07, 2009 - 07:14 pm
Interesting that the replies to my e-mails use name calling, which undermines the posters' credibility.

Here's web pages of facts that show ritual abuse crimes do exist.

Day Care and Child Abuse Cases http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/day-care-and-child-abuse-cases/

This page has information on the McMartin Preschool Case, Michelle Remembers, the Fells Acres - Amirault Case, the Wenatchee, Washington Case, the Dale Akiki Case, the Glendale Montessori - Toward case and the Little Rascals Day Care Center case.

List of Satanic Ritual Abuse references -

http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/studies/satanic-ritual-abuse-evidence-with-information-on-the-mcmartin-preschool-case/

Proof That Ritual Abuse Exists

http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/

Noblitt, PhD, J. R. - An Empirical Look at the Ritual Abuse Controversy (2007) http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/an-empirical-look-at-the-ritual-abuse-controversy-randy-noblitt-phd/

Bottoms, Shaver and Goodman in their 1993 study to evaluate ritual abuse claims found that in 2,292 alleged ritual abuse cases, 15% of the perpetrators in adult cases and 30% of the perpetrators in child cases confessed to the abuse.



astroturfing kelso Apr 07, 2009 - 09:34 pm
'Smartnews' is just somebody who works for S.M.A.R.T. (Stop Ritual Abuse and Mind Control Today) SMART, PO Box 1295, Easthampton, MA 01027 smartnews@aol.com

And if they DON'T work for S.M.A.R.T., then they're ignoring the website that states: "Please do not copy or re-use without permission. All rights reserved. All Content © SMART unless otherwise noted."



Scat Apr 07, 2009 - 11:57 pm
smartnews has a guilty conscience to cover up. Wonder what it is.


Scat Apr 08, 2009 - 12:00 am
smartnews is probably connected or is a prosecutor or former prosecutor who ruined lives while drunk on Christian testosterone and can't sleep at night.


Hey SMARTnews, anonymous Apr 08, 2009 - 01:42 pm
Why the hell did you copy and paste the same thing 2 or 3 times in this discussion?


Recovered memory corroboration rates smartnews Apr 10, 2009 - 08:50 pm
personal attacks only weaken your argument

Recovered Memory Data with information on recovered memory corroboration, theories on recovered memory, legal information, physiological evidence for memory suppression, replies to skeptics and books and articles on memory http://ritualabuse.us/research/memory-fms/recovered-memory-data/

Recovered memory corroboration rates - There are many studies that show fairly high corroboration rates for recovered memories. http://ritualabuse.us/research/memory-fms/recovered-memory-corroboration-rates/

Basic Information on Dissociative Identity Disorder with sections on Basic Information on DID from the DSM‑IV‑TR, The History of DID/MPD, Diagnosing DID, Responses to those that state that DID is iatrogenic or a social construct, MPD/DID connection to severe abuse, Recent information and DID resources - http://ritualabuse.us/research/did/basic-information-on-didmpd/



Scat Apr 10, 2009 - 09:44 pm
I like your cliche "personal attacks only weaken your argument" but the problem is that there is nothing to attack, you are quoting statistics and hiding behind them out of either profit motive or submerged emotional compulsion otherwise you have contributed nothing.


Scat Apr 10, 2009 - 09:46 pm
By nothing to attack I mean you are nothing, a machine spitting out statistics is hardly suffering from a personal attack. Give up you provide no insight to humans.


Fran’s Day Care - part one smartnews Apr 10, 2009 - 10:23 pm
Fran’s Day Care

Randy Noblitt, PhD

In recent days, an interest in the case of Fran and Dan Keller has reemerged and that reemergence has triggered new interest in the outcries of children that resulted in several investigations, trials, convictions, and tragedies throughout the 1990s. I can speak about Fran’s Day Care with some authority.

In 1992, the Travis County prosecutor’s office contacted me for advice as to how they should proceed with a bizarre case involving multiple child victims of sexual and ritual abuse in a day care. The accused perpetrators were the owners-operators of the nursery, Fran and Dan Keller. The day care was situated in a remote area beyond the suburbs of Austin, Texas. At this time, the legal community was reeling from the McMartin Day Care ordeal which was the costliest prosecution in California history up to that time, and had resulted in two hung juries in a seven-year prosecution. The prosecution, wishing to learn from the mistakes of McMartin, wanted advice regarding how to proceed without contaminating the children’s stories, compromising the alleged perpetrators’ rights, and getting to the truth of the children’s outcries.

Some of the parents whose children attended the preschool became suspicious when their children returned home wearing underwear not their own, or with their clothes inside out or with their hair wet. There were always reasonable explanations: the child had an accident and was changed into clothes on hand for that purpose; or the child splashed water on herself when the children were cleaning up; and so forth. However, when one of the children made an outcry, the parents more closely scrutinized the strange behaviors some of the children had started engaging in and the aforementioned episodes, and they took their concerns to the police. The police took the concerns seriously and collected statements and evidence. The grand jury found a basis for indictment. The Kellers responded to the warrant for their arrest by fleeing the state in disguise, obtaining false identifications in their new personas, and attempting to leave the country. They were apprehended in Las Vegas, Nevada and extradited back to Travis County.



Fran's day care - part two smartnews Apr 10, 2009 - 10:25 pm
It was at this point that I was introduced to the situation. I was in private practice in Dallas, two hundred miles north of Austin and had no knowledge of what was happening at Fran’s Day Care. The prosecutor, Judy Shipway, contacted me for advice on how to deal with the children, their stories, their parents’ reactions, and the impact of ritual abuse allegations on the court. I advised her to focus on the sexual abuse allegations for which there was substantial support and evidence. I expressed my opinion that introducing the topic of ritual abuse would be exploited by the defense as a means of discrediting the children. I also advised Ms. Shipway to make sure that every child had a therapist and that no therapist treat more than one child from Fran’s Day Care. Finally, I advised the prosecutor to request that the children’s parents not communicate with one another until after the trial to avoid inadvertent contamination of their children’s stories and their own interpretations. These suggestions were all implemented.

I was also invited to review the evidence which included drawings and writings produced by Danny Keller; the confession of co-defendant Doug Perry; the testimony of the children. I was able to describe for the prosecution the kinds of abuses ritually practiced by various groups and individuals and explain the psychological consequences of such abuse. I was able to interpret for the prosecutor the children’s stories in the context of what had been learned from other victims including the use of coercion, duplicity, threats, and other means of controlling survivors of such abuse.

Although several children at the day care were thought to have been sexually and ritually traumatized, some of them were so young that they did not yet speak in complete sentences. Some of them were identified by other victims. Three of the children were selected to represent the whole population. These were slightly older children, five and six years old, and they were able to convey their stories most articulately of all the child victims.



Fran's Day Care - part three smartnews Apr 10, 2009 - 10:26 pm
As the trial commenced, the prosecution developed an excellent case against the Kellers. I was surprised only by the defense attorneys’ rather blasé approach to their defense of the Kellers, perhaps operating under the assumption that the children would not be believed. In defense of the Kellers, their attorneys did raise the specter of ritual abuse by introducing into evidence the book Sex Abuse Hysteria: The Salem Witch Trials Revisited (Gardner, 1991), which promoted the idea that sexual and ritual abuse allegations by children were projections of their parents (and other adults’) latent pedophilia. It was at this point that I was asked to take the stand as an expert witness and address the topic of ritual abuse and Gardner’s book.

The case ended with the conviction of the Kellers and their sentencing to 48 years in prison each. They are in prison still, any efforts for appeal having failed to date. Shortly after the trial, the magazine, Texas Monthly, published a piece by Gary Cartwright in which he implied that the Kellers were the true victims in this sorry tale. He did me the courtesy of a call to “fact check” his story, particularly ideas attributed to me, except that it was only after the issue had been published.

Recently, the Fran’s Day Care case was dredged up by the Austin Chronicle, an alternative periodical produced locally in Texas. My son sent me the link in an email with the heading, “Dad, you’re in the news again.” Once more, the perspective was one of advocacy for falsely accused, persecuted, prosecuted, and convicted victims of a malicious or inept legal system that places too much trust in the stories children tell. A particular flaw in this story was the story. It was certainly not founded on anything I witnessed during my participation in the case. Evidence was not withheld from the prosecution to my knowledge. The defense was left flat-footed by their own conviction that the children would not be believed. And the advice I offered may have helped to prevent influence or contamination of the children’s testimony. The children’s stories were credible – Fran and Dan Keller’s defense was not. End of story? Probably not. I doubt that we have heard the last of Fran and Dan or of their day care or of their victims.



Fran's Day Care - part four smartnews Apr 10, 2009 - 10:28 pm
Interestingly enough, the Austin Chronicle article, Believing the Children, ended with a reference to one of the child victims, Veejay Staelin, a now 21-year old. Although he declined to be interviewed for the story, he re-asserted that he had been abused by Fran and Dan Keller.

http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/frans-day-care/

to the other poster

no I am not a machine, I just post facts to give another point of view to the article



Scat Apr 11, 2009 - 12:28 am
Rationalization is a stressful job but someone has to do it right?

Now I'm going to be up all night researching.

All new wars have to be supported because of all the murder during the last war, ain't that the friggin truth.



Scat Apr 11, 2009 - 01:12 am
I like it assuage any fleeting pangs of conscience by referring to the defense as "rather blasé".


Scat Apr 11, 2009 - 08:51 am
smartnews is cutting and posting copyrighted material. Or else a pseudo psychologist is slumming.


material smartnews Apr 11, 2009 - 01:17 pm
I had full permission to post the Fran's Day Care mini-article from the author.


Scat Apr 11, 2009 - 01:20 pm
You like to give the impression that you are the PhD, I bet you wish you could send your abuser to prison for the rest of his days but it is too late ain't crowbaby?


Extreme Abuse Survey Research smartnews Apr 13, 2009 - 08:29 pm
http://ritualabuse.us/mindcontrol/eas-studies/

The Extreme Abuse Survey final results are online with findings, questionnaires and presentations for download as pdf-files. More than 750 pages of documentation http://extreme-abuse-survey.net/

HAND-OUT (2008, April). Child Sexual Abuse and Beyond: Findings From a Series of International Extreme Abuse Surveys. Paper presented at the Fourteenth Annual Northern California Child Sexual Abuse Awareness Conference: Sacramento, CA. (2008, April).

Selected Responses from the EAS

My memories of abuse include incest. 1122 70%

I had memories of incest before I sought therapy/counseling. 985 64%

I was ritually abused in a satanic cult.* 986 55%

I had memories of ritual abuse before I sought therapy/counseling. 977 48%

Secret government-sponsored mind control experiments were

performed on me as a child. 1000 26%

I have been diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder (DID or MPD). 1007 65%

I am a therapist/counselor/clergy for RA/MC survivors. 965 10%

*Of the 257 EAS respondents who reported that secret mind control experiments were used on them as children, 69% (177) reported having been abused in a satanic cult. Of the 543 respondents who reported that they had been abused in a satanic cult, 33% (179) reported having been used in secret mind control experiments as children.

http://d.scribd.com/docs/1skli77hxmq3o3×3qsgz.pdf



Scat Apr 13, 2009 - 11:14 pm
The book The Courage to Heal is vile.

Posting stats to alleviate sending innocent people to prison, to ruin their lives is just as worthless as the false memory syndrome.

No doubt many children are abused everyday but codifying it in some easy to process day care center case is a hysterical and extremely dishonest way to deal with the wider subject.

Self reporting by adults is worthless a big part of the time self reporting by undeveloped children is even less accurate.



posting facts to protect children smartnews Apr 15, 2009 - 10:03 pm
Posting facts is the right way to present an objective argument.

What is vile is slanted information that covers up child abuse crimes.

Yes "many children are abused everyday." We need more articles exposing this fact and asking to protect these children.

And reports of child abuse by adults and children have high accuracy rates.

see: Recovered memory corroboration rates - There are many studies that show fairly high corroboration rates for recovered memories. http://ritualabuse.us/research/memory-fms/recovered-memory-corroboration-rates/

and

False allegations of child sexual abuse by children are rare

“allegations made by child victims match closely with confessions of pedophiles”

“The evidence indicates that very few (children) lied originally.”

“children tend to minimize and deny abuse, not exaggerate or over-report such incidents”

How often do children’s reports of abuse turn out to be false? Research has consistently shown that false allegations of child sexual abuse by children are rare.

http://ritualabuse.us/research/false-allegations-of-child-sexual-abuse-by-children-are-rare/



Day Care and Child Abuse Cases smartnews Apr 19, 2009 - 03:09 pm
Day Care and Child Abuse Cases

http://ritualabuse.us/ritualabuse/articles/day-care-and-child-abuse-cases/

This page has information on the McMartin Preschool Case, Michelle Remembers, the Fells Acres - Amirault Case,the Wenatchee, Washington Case, the Dale Akiki Case, the Glendale Montessori - Toward case and the Little Rascals Day Care Center case.

Sexual Abuse in Day Care: A National Study - Executive Summary - March 1988 - Finklehor, Williams, Burns, Kalinowski “The study identified 270 “cases” of sexual abuse in day care meaning 270 facilities where substantiated abuse had occurred involving a total of 1639 victimized children….This yielded an estimate of 500 to 550 reported and substantiated cases and 2500 victims for the three-year period. Although this is a large number, it must be put in the context of 229,000 day care facilities nationwide service seven million children….allegations of ritual abuse (”the invocation of religious, magical or supernatural symbols of activities”) occurred in 13% of the cases.” The authors divided these cases into “true cult-based ritual,” pseudo-ritualism” with a primary goal of sexual gratification and ritual being used to intimidate the children from disclosing and “psychopathological ritualism” the activities being “primarily the expression of an individuals obsessional or delusional system.” http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICDocs/data/ericdocs2sql/content_storage_01/0000019b/80/1c/82/61.pdf



Scat Apr 19, 2009 - 03:56 pm
Nice railroad data smartnews.


As a child, I lied about sexual abuse. sandy Apr 21, 2009 - 01:42 am
Hysterical adults can "question" a child in such a way that will make them say anything.

As a child, I falsely accused multiple people. The first time was in kindergarten when one too many "stranger danger" lectures made me so paranoid that when a man merely motioned to me, I assumed he was going to try to kidnap me, ran and reported it immediately to the school, who then called the police, etc... As an adult, I now know he was just waving me across the street.

In 3rd grade, under aggressive questioning from my mother, I also accused people of sexual molestation, because that was what she believed happened and that is what she wanted to hear. It did take a lot of questioning for me to falsely accuse but eventually I gave in. I didn't want to make her mad, so I "admitted" to a complete lie. All of the other children in my family had already done the same thing. Thankfully, nobody went to jail because the detectives eventually correctly discerned that my mom was the crazy one driving the allegations, but yes, children lie.



Scat Apr 21, 2009 - 02:01 am
Thanks sandy.


False allegations of child abuse are rare smartnews Apr 22, 2009 - 10:59 pm
The point is that they are rare.

Jones and McGraw examined 576 consecutive referrals of child sexual abuse to the Denver Department of Social Services, and categorized the reports as either reliable or fictitious. In only 1% of the total cases were children judged to have advanced a fictitious allegation. Jones, D. P. H., and J. M. McGraw: Reliable and Fictitious Accounts of Sexual Abuse to Children.Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 2, 27-45, 1987.

In a more recent study, investigators reviewed case notes of all child sexual abuse reports to the Denver Department of Social Services over 12 months. Of the 551 cases reviewed, there were only 14 (2.5%) instances of erroneous concerns about abuse emanating from children. These consisted of three cases of allegations made in collusion with a parent, three cases where an innocent event was misinterpreted as sexual abuse and eight cases (1.5%) of false allegations of sexual abuse. Oates, R. K., D.P. Jones, D. Denson, A. Sirotnak, N. Gary, and R.D. Krugman: Erroneous Concerns about Child Sexual Abuse. Child Abuse & Neglect 24:149-57, 2000.

http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/1/res/csa-acc.html



The Myth of Epidemic False Allegations of Sexual Abuse smartnews Apr 22, 2009 - 11:03 pm
The Myth of Epidemic False Allegations of Sexual Abuse in Divorce Cases by Merrilyn McDonald

Why Do Kids Recant?....The fact that a child recants does not mean that abuse never happened. It often means that pressure has been applied to the child and the child submitted. A child may also recant when he feels he is not being believed. Naturally reluctant to talk about abuse, a child may become silent or recant if those interviewing him seem skeptical of his disclosure. (Published in the Spring 1998 issue of Court Review) http://www.omsys.com/mmcd/courtrev.htm

ALLEGATIONS OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE IN DIVORCE CASES ARE INFREQUENT. An excellent study on the incidence of sexual abuse in divorce was done by Thoennes and Tjaden of the Association of Family and Conciliation Courts Research Unit in Denver, with funding from the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect. Data was gathered from domestic relations court staff in eight jurisdictions, during a six-month period. Staff in these jurisdictions completed a questionnaire each time there was an allegation of sexual abuse in a custody or visitation dispute. More than 9,000 families in these areas had custody or visitation disputes. Of these 9,000 families, less than 2 percent had allegations of sexual abuse. (Nancy Thoennes & Patricia G. Tjaden, "The Extent, Nature, and Validity of Sexual Abuse Allegations in Custody/Divorce Disputes," Child Abuse and Neglect: The International Journal, v14 n2 p151-63 (1990). "A study of over 9,000 custody/visitation dispute cases found that sexual abuse allegations occurred in 2 percent of contested cases. Such cases involve a variety of accused and accusing parties and are no less likely to be "unfounded" than other sexual abuse reports."

http://www.eric.ed.gov/ERICWebPortal/custom/portlets/recordDetails/detailmini.jsp?_nfpb=true&_&ERICExtSearch_SearchValue_0=EJ411724&ERICExtSearch_SearchType_0=no&accno=EJ411724



Scat Apr 22, 2009 - 11:25 pm
Hope your statistics comfort the innocent people in their cells in prison smartnews.


False claims of childhood sexual abuse are exceedingly rare smartnews Apr 23, 2009 - 10:59 pm
How many of them are innocent and how many just want to get out of prison and deny their crimes?

NY must give child sex abuse victims more time

BY RICHARD B. GARTNER

April 22, 2009

Newsday

http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-opgar2312679312apr22,0,5749848.story

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that about one in five American children is sexually abused."

"Abusers also keep their victims quiet with threats of harm against the children or their families."

"Research confirms the capacity of the human brain to stop conscious recall of traumatic information. In war veterans, Holocaust survivors and even crime victims, the brains' ability to protect itself by blocking unwanted memories is well-documented.

These memories can later be validly recalled, and false claims of childhood sexual abuse are exceedingly rare - and are often detectable."

"When victims come forward, institutions usually stonewall, disavow culpability and deny abuse exists under their auspices. Schools, athletic organizations, religious institutions, scouting and camping groups, and others try to insulate themselves from responsibility for the harmful behavior of people who work for them. And so, victims are betrayed again."



Repressed Memories; Be Very Skeptical undrum1 Apr 24, 2009 - 03:16 pm
Some of the memories recovered in repressed memory therapy are extraordinarily bizarre, so bizarre that one would think that a reasonable person could hardly take them at face value. But RMT therapists are not put off by bizarre "recollections." They either take them at face value. Or they take them as "artifacts" of the mind, which therapists must analyze as if they were archaeologists who must infer the real truth from the artifacts. Or they take fantastic memories as symbolic of real experiences.

Are we to accept without question the notion that any memory, true or false, reflects some truth, objective or subjective, which only the trained therapist can determine? That seems to be the view of some RMT advocates. If so, we are being asked to accept mysticism instead of science. How could one possibly disprove the claim that a memory which is incredible on its face is a symbolic message? Can anyone imagine any empirical test for this notion? If the issue were simply whether a memory is accurate, there would be some hope of establishing in some cases that the probability is that the memory is true or that it is false. But if the issue is whether a memory has a meaning, that point will probably soon be granted, since we don't like to think of ourselves as doing anything without there being some reason for it.



recovered memory corroboration smartnews Apr 24, 2009 - 07:09 pm
There is no evidence that recovered memories are "bizarre." There is no such thing as "recovered memory therapy." No one practices such a thing. These are myths created by those that want to deny the existence of child sexual abuse and attack therapists.

http://ritualabuse.us/research/memory-fms/recovered-memory-corroboration-rates/

van der Kolk, BA & R Fisler (1995), “Dissociation and the fragmentary nature of traumatic memories: Overview and exploratory study”, J Traumatic Stress 8: 505–25 ....Of the 35 subjects with childhood trauma, 15 (43%) had suffered significant, or total amnesia for their trauma at some time of their lives. Twenty seven of the 35 subjects with childhood trauma (77%) reported confirmation of their childhood trauma.”

http://www.trauma-pages.com/a/vanderk2.php

Corroboration of Child Abuse Memories “Studies vary in frequency. Between 31 and 64 percent of abuse survivors in six major studies reported that they forgot “some of the abuse.” Numbers reporting severe amnesia ranged from under 12% to 59%….Studies report 50-75% of abuse survivors corroborating the facts of their abuse through an outside source. Reference: Bowman, Elizabeth. Delayed Memories of Child Abuse: Part I: An Overview of Research Findings on Forgetting, Remembering, and Corroborating Trauma. Dissociation, IX (4) pp. 221-231 http://mentalhealth.about.com/cs/abuse/a/cooroborate.htm

Chu, JA; et al. (1999). Memories of childhood abuse: Dissociation, amnesia and corroboration.. Am J Psychiatry 156: 749-55. “Childhood abuse, particularly chronic abuse beginning at early ages, is related to the development of high levels of dissociative symptoms including amnesia for abuse memories. This study suggests that psychotherapy usually is not associated with memory recovery and that independent corroboration of recovered memories of abuse is often present.”

http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/156/5/749

Williams LM (1994). Recall of childhood trauma: a prospective study of women’s memories of child sexual abuse. J Consult Clin Psychol 62: 1167–76. One hundred twenty-nine women with previously documented histories of sexual victimization....A large proportion of the women (38%) did not recall the abuse that had been reported 17 years earlier.

http://www.hss.caltech.edu/courses/2004-05/winter/psy130/Debate2Williams1.pdf



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Scat Apr 24, 2009 - 11:37 pm
In contrast, the model of memory adhered to by most cognitive psychologists is very different. Memory is not a passive recording of information, but an active, re-constructive process. Most importantly, memory is seen as being susceptible to suggestion. Since the groundbreaking work of Elizabeth Loftus, cognitive psychologists have demonstrated how suggestions can not only change memory, but actually produce new memories. In light of the susceptibility of memory to suggestions -- particularly if they are made repeatedly, and if the person making the suggestions is an authority figure -- cognitive psychologists have raised the possibility that some of the memories of childhood sexual abuse recovered during therapy may not be accurate.

Guilty prosecutors ask smartnews to obsess over lies.



there is NO evidence false memories of child abuse can be created smartnews Apr 25, 2009 - 01:41 pm
Memory studies of non traumatic memory do not apply to traumatic memory. Traumatic memories are stored in the brain differently. Loftus' work does NOT show that traumatic memories can be suggested.

Elizabeth Loftus herself has published studies showing evidence of recovered memory. In a study of 105 women outpatients in a substance abuse clinic 54 % reported a history of childhood sexual abuse. 81% remembered all or part of the abuse. 19% reported they forgot the abuse for a period of time and later the memory returned. Women who remembered the abuse their whole lives reported a clearer memory, with a more detailed picture. [Psychology of Women Quarterly, 18 (1994) 67-84.]

Loftus has also discussed “motivated forgetting”, and has presented the documented study of a college professor who became unable to remember a series of traumas, but after some time was able to recover those memories. Loftus remarked “after such an enormously stressful experience, many individuals wish to forget… And often their wish is granted.” (Loftus, 1980/1988, p. 73)” http://web.archive.org/web/20030608221633/http://www.feminista.com/v1n9/false-memory.html



overstating the data smartnews Apr 25, 2009 - 01:45 pm
"The hypothesis that false memories can easily be implanted in psychotherapy (Lindsay & Read, 1994; Loftus 1993; Loftus & Ketcham, 1994; Ofshe and Watters, 1993, 1994; Yapko, 1994a) seriously overstates the available data. Since no studies have been conducted on suggested effects in psychotherapy per se, the idea of iatrogenic suggestion of false memories remains an untested hypothesis. (Memory, Trauma Treatment, And the Law Brown, Scheflin and Hammond (D. Corydon), 1998, W. W. Norton 0-393-70254-5)

http://users.owt.com/crook/memory/

"Lost in a Shopping Mall"—A Breach of Professional Ethics

ETHICS & BEHAVIOR, vol. 9, #1, pp. 39-50

The "lost in a shopping mall" study has been cited to support claims that psychotherapists can implant memories of false autobiographical information of childhood trauma in their patients. The mall study originated in 1991 as 5 pilot experiments involving 3 children and 2 adult participants. The University of Washington Human Subjects Committee granted approval for the mall study on August 10, 1992. The preliminary results with the 5 pilot subjects were announced 4 days later. An analysis of the mall study shows that beyond the external misrepresentations, internal scientific methodological errors cast doubt on the validity of the claims that have been attributed to the mall study within scholarly and legal arenas. The minimal involvement—or, in some cases, negative impact—of collegial consultation, academic supervision, and peer review throughout the evolution of the mall study are reviewed.



Believing the Children vicof91 Apr 28, 2009 - 10:35 pm
I find this story absolutely sickening and it breaks my heart because the facts are not presented correctly. I know because I lived through this nightmare. My son was one of the victims and I was one of the parents that testified in court- yes, there were parents that testified against the Keller's. I testified about the unusual behavior I encountered when I showed up early one day to find the doors locked. I testified about how I know my son was drugged one day when I picked him up and I couldn't wake him for 16 hours. I have no doubt that the Keller's were guilty. I knew Christy Chaviers and she was not a "disturbed" child as you described - she was seeing a therapist due to a divorce and concerned Mother. Shame on you for writing an article like this and shame on all of you who don't believe the children. Children do make up things but they don't make up abuse like this. Did you ever once think about the victims and how they feel having to read this article and relive this nightmare. You said you tried to get in touch with several of the victims with no response - maybe they figured you would turn things around as you did or maybe they just didn't want to relive a painful past. I have no doubt in my mind that the abuse happened and I know the Keller's are getting exactly what they deserve- I am just sorry that you can't cover a story with truth but it will prevail- it always does!


Scat Apr 29, 2009 - 12:49 am
vicof91 did anyone give a good description of Satan's presence?


McMartin preschool case smartnews Apr 29, 2009 - 09:44 pm
vicof91, thank you for telling the truth about what happened in this case. And ignore those that insult and attack those that help uncover these crimes. Keep telling the truth.

describes crimes - Reporter's Notebook: 6 Months of California Case By Robert Lindsey Published: February 13, 1985 “Prosecutors say they intend to present as witnesses 41 former pupils of the school, almost all of whom, physicians testified at the hearing, showed physical evidence of having been sexually abused. The second of the children to testify at the hearing, a 10-year-old boy who attended the McMartin Preschool almost five years ago, has now been on the witness stand for nine days, including eight days under intense cross examination by defense lawyers who have been trying to find inconsistencies in his story. So far, often under rapid-fire questioning that might wither some adult witnesses, the child has stuck to his story with only minor contradictions. http://www.nytimes.com/1985/02/13/us/reporter-s-notebook-6-months-of-california-case.html

Boy, 7, Is Witness in California Child Abuse Case by Robert Lindsey January 23, 1985

Prosecutors have asserted that more than 100 children were abused at the school in the past decade.

http://www.nytimes.com/1985/01/23/us/boy-7-is-witness-in-california-child-abuse-case.html



Scat Apr 29, 2009 - 10:38 pm
Accusing innocent people is insulting and attacking under the rubric of righteousness.

A number of studies have shown that asking children the same question repeatedly within an interview and across interviews, especially a yes/no question (e.g., Poole & White, 1991), often results in the child changing her original answer. Preschoolers are particularly vulnerable to these effects. Children often do this because they seem to reason, "The first answer I gave must be wrong, that is why they are asking me the question again. Therefore I should change my answer". At other times, children may change their answer to please the adult who is questioning them; they reason that the "adult must not have liked the first answer I gave so I will give another answer". At other times, children's answers may change because the interviewer's previous suggestions become incorporated into their memories.

For example, Cassel and Bjorklund (1993) questioned children and adults about a videotaped event they had viewed one week earlier. The subjects were asked leading questions and if they did not fall sway to the lead, then they were asked a more suggestive follow-up question. Kindergarten children were most affected by this manipulation. As expected, compared to adults and older children, they were most inaccurate in answering the first misleading questions; but also when the second more suggestive question was asked, they were more likely than older subjects to change their answers and to incorporate the desired answer into their second responses.



Scat: Psychoanalyst Nate Apr 30, 2009 - 09:32 am
Hey scat, you seem to have extensive knowledge of child abuse studies. Care to enlighten us on what compels you to constantly fixate on sperm, cocks, teabagging, gloryholes, etc.? Maybe some repressed childhood memories manifesting themselves as online expressions of men's room graffiti? Were you unable to find an angle in this story that would provide an opening to vomit your spunk-obsessed lunacy at us?


children can be credible witnesses in court smartnews Apr 30, 2009 - 09:41 pm
Defending pedophilia is insulting and harmful to children and society.

John Myers, a Professor of Law at McGeorge Law School states:

"At the time McMartin and Michaels began, there was very little awareness of the special issues that arise in questioning children about abuse....When it comes to credibility, children are no different than adults. There are credible children and credible adults. By the same token, there are incredible adults and incredible children. It is clear from the literature on child development that by the time most children are four years old, they possess the moral, cognitive, and linguistic capacity to be credible witnesses in court.

John Myers: During the first six decades of the 20th Century, the level of doubt and skepticism about allegations of CSA were at unrealistic and destructively high levels. During the late 1970s and 1980s, however, society was much more accepting of the fact that CSA is a serious social problem. Beginning in the early 1990s, a backlash of sorts emerged against the child protection system. Although this backlash has not substantially undermined efforts by the child protection and legal systems to investigate and prosecute CSA, it [is] my belief that the level of doubt about children's credibility and about the prevalence of CSA is once again on the rise, and could return to levels that are sufficiently high to undermine efforts to protect children.



Scat Apr 30, 2009 - 11:35 pm
Nate tends to have a lot of posts deleted for containing too many references to his obsessions about children, George Bush and perverse sexual acts. Nate you should really get some help. Smartnews is correct on this account.


correction smartnews May 01, 2009 - 06:14 pm
I did not say anything about Nate. Scat's posts appear to be inaccurate about this topic and off color in general.


Satanism Linked To Scores of U.S. Child Abuse Cases smartnews May 03, 2009 - 01:32 pm
Satanism Linked To Scores of U.S. Child Abuse Cases Edward W. Lempinen. San Francisco Chronicle 11/5/87 p. A1 Satanism and cult rituals have been linked to scores of child-molestation cases nationwide in the past five years, including dozens in California....After hearing similar tales over and over from people across the country, many investigators and child abuse experts now have come to believe in the unbelievable....there have been 60 to 70 "solid" cases of ritual sexual abuse in the past few years nationwide. She and others have heard hundreds of children and adult - people who have never met and who live a continent apart - tell stories that are fundamentally the same. "Independently, the victims are describing incredibly similar circumstances," http://ezproxy.sfpl.org/login?url=http://proquest.umi.com/pqdweb?did=65772423&Fmt=3&clientId=3266&RQT=309&VName=PQD


LOL undrum1 May 04, 2009 - 10:57 am
Oh, that's right - stopping crazy Satan worshippers is really the core motivation of many of these child-abuse fundamentalists like smartnews, who now appears to be your average paranoid Christian masquerading as a social activist in defense of The Children. My goodness, don't you have some Left Behind books to catch up on or something?


Scat May 04, 2009 - 05:18 pm
undrum1 nailed it. Typical smartnews. There is no satan without the depravity of Christ.


false allegations of child sexual abuse by children are rare smartnews May 04, 2009 - 08:06 pm
Interesting how "skeptics" need to resort to name calling and personal attacks.

Or misrepresenting information like this article.

But it doesn't work.

Those reading these posts will see through these tactics.

How often do children’s reports of abuse turn out to be false? Research has consistently shown that false allegations of child sexual abuse by children are rare. Jones and McGraw examined 576 consecutive referrals of child sexual abuse to the Denver Department of Social Services, and categorized the reports as either reliable or fictitious. In only 1% of the total cases were children judged to have advanced a fictitious allegation. Jones, D. P. H., and J. M. McGraw: Reliable and Fictitious Accounts of Sexual Abuse to Children. Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 2, 27-45, 1987. Research with children whose sexual abuse has been proven has shown that children tend to minimize and deny abuse, not exaggerate or over-report such incidents. http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/1/res/csa-acc.html



spamnews bot kelso May 04, 2009 - 08:43 pm
If smartnews posts the same shit a hundred more times this month, I will have no other choice than to conclude that the web bot is 100% correct.

Keep up the copy and paste frenzy, you're almost there!



Scat May 05, 2009 - 12:13 am
Good one Kelso. ridiculing the smartbot method only displays your cynicism and moral corruption which of course will provide another round of cut and paste reactions to the bad pee pee.


False claims of spam abuse are exceedingly rare. kelso May 05, 2009 - 10:23 am
But Scat, that’s name-calling and those personal attacks weaken the ongoing non-existent argument.

It’s interesting that your reply tends to minimize and deny the smart-bot spamming rather than exaggerating and offering links to biased one-sided shit websites.

Do some research and get accurate information @ www.getfuckedsmartbot.com and refrain from undermining the spambot’s credibility.

Those reading these spam posts will see through these spam tactics because they know that posting random links to bullshit websites is the best way to pretend you’re presenting an objective argument.

Sincerely,

Pam ‘smartbot’ Norbitt

Co-author, Cult of spam and Ritual chatboard Abuse and

Ritual spamming in the Twenty-first Century

7th circle of hell, California



What hysteria? A systematic study of newspaper coverage of accused smartnews May 05, 2009 - 10:05 pm
What hysteria? A systematic study of newspaper coverage of accused child molesters - Ross E. Cheit - Child Abuse & Neglect 27 (2003) 607-623 Results: Most defendants (56.1%) were not mentioned in the newspaper. Factors associated with a greater chance of coverage include: cases involving first-degree charges, cases with multiple counts,cases involving additional violence or multiple victims, and cases resulting in long prison sentences. The data indicate that the press exaggerates “stranger danger,” while intra-familial cases are underreported. Newspaper accounts also minimize the extent to which guilty defendants avoid prison. Conclusions: Generalizing about the nature of child molestation cases in criminal court on the basis of newspaper coverage is inappropriate. The coverage is less extensive than often claimed, and it is skewed in ways that are typical of the mass media....Conclusions - The findings in this study dispute many popular claims about “media hysteria” over child sexual abuse. Based on a comprehensive analysis of all those charged with this crime in Rhode Island in 1 year, it is clear that the coverage was generally limited and often nonexistent. More than half the people charged with child molestation never had their name in the newspaper. Only a handful of those covered received anything more than a few stories, and much of that in brief “fillers” (under 200 words). The lack of support for the “hysteria” position is all the more significant because most of the coverage in this study was in 1993. That is the year that Jenkins (1996) called “the peak of media concern” about pedophile priests. Newsweek had a cover story in 1993 about the so-called “hysteria” about child sexual abuse (Shapiro, 1993). This study suggests that the hysteria narrative does not have comprehensive empirical support in the real world. Like an urban legend, this narrative is continually told and accepted without appropriate skepticism.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V7N-48NC1DN-8&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=65202c87aab1224ac207d3df874938d1



Scat May 05, 2009 - 10:47 pm
You incensed it kelso like schizophrenic statbots everywhere smartbot went off on a tirade in one long run on sentence and one single paragraph.

this project could be statbot's attempt to alleviate some type of guilt or maybe fulfill some type of parole requirements



witch hunt accusations from accused molesters smartnews May 06, 2009 - 08:38 pm
Why Cults Terrorize and Kill Children

LLOYD DEMAUSE

The Journal of Psychohistory 21 (4) 1994

Once I began to familiarize myself with the literature on the subject, I began to see where the well-orchestrated flood of "witch hunt" accusations was originating: from the molesters themselves. To begin with, the founder of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation had been accused of sexual molestation by her daughter. and major contributors and researchers" affiliated with the group are usually either accused molesters, members of pedophile advocacy groups, or appear in journals such as Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia. As one False Memory Syndrome Foundation Advisory Board member recently told Paidika, "Pedophiles can boldly and courageously affirm what they choose. They can say that what they want is to find the best way to love.. With boldness they can say, 'I believe this is in fact part of God's will.'"

In addition, some of authors of false memory hooks also turned out to be pedophile advocates. For example, one of the most widely cited books claiming that cult abuse reports were mass hysteria is Paul and Shirley Eberle's The Abuse of Innocence: The McMartin Preschool trial. Taken quite seriously by reviewers and widely quoted In later magazine articles as authoritative, the book makes such claims as that the over 100 McMartin children who reported they had been abused by a cult were all "brainwashed" and the mothers were all "hysterical" and that it was meaningless that physicians found three-quarters of the children bore physical evidence that corroborated their stories. What reviewers didn't mention was that the Eberles had been called "the most prolific publishers of child pornography in the United States" by Sgt. Toby Tyler, a San Bernadino deputy sheriff who is a nationally recognized expert on child pornography.

Even when "authorities" and cited to disprove the existence of any physical evidence of cult abuse, these usually end up referring to one man, ...Lanning of the FBI, who says he has "been unable to find one murder of anyone by two or more people following typical satanic ritualistic prescriptions." What is never mentioned Is that Lanning has done no investigative work on any cult anywhere and ignores all kinds of convictions for cult abuse that are in police and court records, while others who have actually done ritual abuse investigative work for the F.B.I. are ignored by the press.

http://www.geocities.com/kidhistory/whycult.htm



Enough is enough mking May 06, 2009 - 11:05 pm
This is not the personal message board of "smartnews."

If you wish to comment on the Keller case or the Chronicle story, that's fine. So Randy Noblitt posts his completely misleading version of the Keller case, ignoring the story as reported and recreating a fantasy version of the case in which he is his own hero. That's fine. And a parent/witness recalls her testimony, although it also does not coincide with her actual testimony in the trial. That's also fine.

But continually posting frankly bogus "scholarship" purporting to document "ritual abuse" that has nothing at all to do with the Keller case, and is manufactured on its face, is an abuse of this site and an attempt to turn it into your personal publication.

Post it on your "S.M.A.R.T. News" site where you can agree with yourself to your heart's content and pray for the day that Satanic Ritual Abuse is once more the toast of all the cable talk shows.

But on this site, enough is enough -- if you continue to post your irrelevant bogus scholarship, it will be deleted.

Michael King

News Editor



Scat May 06, 2009 - 11:27 pm
*cough*


there are two sides to the story smartnews May 07, 2009 - 08:59 pm
OK, sticking to the story itself, why is only one side presented?

Noblitt was at the trial and he participated in it. Why is his perspective not in the article?

Is it up to the media to decide which side is "bogus" or should the media fairly present both sides of an issue?

Are peer reviewed journal articles "bogus" scholarship, or do they present a different perspective to this topic, one not found in the article?

My last question is, why are posters that agree with the article allowed to insult, personally attack and use bad language against other posters?



Scat May 07, 2009 - 10:07 pm
False accusations are much worse language than shit, fuck, piss or cocksucker smartnews. False accusations are the equivalent of murder done in the jurisprudence of the law.

You seem not to have much reading comprehension either.



LouDobbs May 07, 2009 - 11:30 pm
You left three out.


false accusations? smartnews May 08, 2009 - 12:01 am
And how do we know they are false? The article only presents one side of the story. Perhaps the Chronicle will publish a balanced article on this issue. Even better, an op-ed from the other side.


annoyed by brute force spamming of your superficial POV kelso May 08, 2009 - 10:59 am
'posters that agree with the article allowed to insult, personally attack and use bad language against other posters?'

It's not so much that I agree with the article, I'm annoyed by your constant spamming of bullshit and inability to actually convey your point of view in any serious way.



Response to "Smartnews" mking May 08, 2009 - 11:16 am
I don't have time for lengthy online debates, but I'll answer your questions briefly.

1. Read Jordan Smith's story. It's flatly false to pretend it presents only "one side," whatever that is -- the story fully examines the prosecutors' case (including their current responses), the investigators' reports, the forensic interviews, witnesses, "victims," etc. We even sued to acquire the APD investigation report, which is pathetic and embarrassing, and confirms that the children were encouraged by credulous adults to manufacture fantastic tales, many even physically impossible, and then prosecutors cherry-picked the stories for whatever they wanted. No credibility at all. All these perspectives are indeed in the story, much more than "two sides."

2. Noblitt (who is indeed in the story) wants it both ways -- his part was minor, but he is also central. In truth, while he contributed mightily to the local atmosphere of satanist hysteria, he had little to do with the specific charges and prosecution, mostly accomplished before he arrived. It's not clear if "smartnews" is Noblitt himself or just one of his surrogates, but it doesn't matter. He has plenty of venues to promote his SRA cottage industry. This one is closed for his business.

3. "Both sides" -- answered in No. 1, but in any case this arithmetical approach to accuracy or truth simply confirms you don't understand the concept: fantastic claims without foundation do not merit equal time with actual evidence.

4. Bogus scholarship: An article (Demause), "peer-reviewed" or not, that begins (paraphrase) "only molesters themselves dispute these SRA tales" is not scholarship, it's ad hominem character assassination dressed up in academic garb. You've posted quite enough to demonstrate either your brilliant research, or, to honest readers, the empty pretension and utter vacuity of your "scholarship." What's posted can stay, but as I wrote yesterday, enough is enough.

5. Posting limits: As an alternative publication edited for adults, we allow fairly wide latitude to posters' content, although we do delete gratuitous abuse or simply counterpoint insults, when we see it (we don't have constant monitoring). Some of the comments in this thread approach but do not cross the line -- if you object to some particular comment, there's a link to request deletion, and we'll consider it. But heated or "bad" language in itself is insufficient, and most readers understand the difference.

MK



media bias and a one sided story smartnews May 10, 2009 - 01:48 pm
You state that "the story fully examines the prosecutors' case."

Yes, from the defendant's point of view.

The article states

"There was little physical evidence to support the children's stories." Yet, even in the article itself, several pieces of evidence are presented, such as possible "lacerations to the hymen" and Vijay "acting strangely" and coming home "like he had been drugged, with rings around his eyes."

It is not surprising that Vijay "declined to be interviewed, except to briefly reiterate that Fran and Danny Keller had abused him." He may have known how his statements would have been dealt with in the article.

You state "fantastic claims without foundation do not merit equal time with actual evidence." Yet the trial and appeal and entire legal system appear to disagree with you that these were fantastic.

You paraphrase deMause to your own advantage. He actually stated

"Once I began to familiarize myself with the literature on the subject, I began to see where the well-orchestrated flood of "witch hunt" accusations was originating: from the molesters themselves."

deMause then backs this up with a statement from Underwager (co-founder of the FMSF) "Pedophiles can boldly and courageously affirm what they choose"

and the Eberle's (accused of child pornography).

In essence you cherry picked one quote from the article (failing to mention he backs up the quote) to state that his entire article is "bogus scholarship."

You state "

You've posted quite enough to demonstrate either your brilliant research, or, to honest readers, the empty pretension and utter vacuity of your "scholarship."

The above is simply an insult, nothing more and nothing less. But considering the replies I have received on this board, it is not surprising.

You state:

"although we do delete gratuitous abuse or simply counterpoint insults, when we see it (we don't have constant monitoring). Some of the comments in this thread approach but do not cross the line."

I wonder where the line is. Your yourself insult those that disagree with you.



media bias and a one sided story - part two smartnews May 10, 2009 - 02:04 pm
Here's a couple of other posters comments directed toward my posts.

"You seem not to have much reading comprehension either."

"this project could be statbot's attempt to alleviate some type of guilt or maybe fulfill some type of parole requirements"

"smartnews has a guilty conscience to cover up. Wonder what it is."

"You like to give the impression that you are the PhD, I bet you wish you could send your abuser to prison for the rest of his days but it is too late ain't crowbaby?"

Like I wrote before, I wonder where the line is. The line appears to vary depending on whose point of view is supported or attacked.

You mention the "SRA cottage industry." There is no such industry. There is little money in doing this, but plenty of attacks, like the ones from this board.

Even the defendants flight from prosecution is defended. And the defendants' statements on this are accepted without question in the article.

The article is a one sided interpretation of what happened from the defenses' and defendant's perspective. It is not balanced. It would take courage for the Chronicle to print an op-ed refuting this article.



Jive Monkey Scat May 10, 2009 - 04:14 pm
You should file a lawsuit against reality smartnews to make it fit with your needs.


Continued shamelessness mking May 11, 2009 - 01:31 pm
Smartnews once again:

You cite the "vaginal laceration" evidence, conditional even at the trial, while failing to acknowledge that the examining doctor now says he was both inexperienced and likely wrong. That's your approach to the actual evidence.

For a purported psychologist to complain of "bad language" is curious in itself, but you're free to write a letter to editor about the Keller case or the story; the Chronicle does not have an op-ed section.

Web posters are traditionally fairly vigorous in their commentary; the comments you object to are no more than spirited rejections of your postings. To post reams of dogma has long been considered abuse of online discussions, sufficient to earn the suspicion of "spambot." If you behave foolishly, you should not be surprised to be called various profane variations of a fool.

It's also not true that only certain insults remain posted. Frankly, it takes considerable gall to post the entirely spurious and morally vicious claim that those who disagree with you are probably child molesters, and then to turn around and whine that somebody called you a rude name.

The real outrage is that so many lives (not only the Kellers) were blighted by this SRA hysteria, and yet the promoters persist in their shameless pursuits, including in your posts.

Michael King



media bias and a one sided story smartnews May 12, 2009 - 10:34 pm
The real outrage is this one sided story's interpretation from only the position of the defendants and the defense. The article is so one sided, it is difficult to tell if the Keller's were innocent or not or whether the entire story is carefully crafted spin, excluding opinions critical of it's conclusions.

The article states that "there is a growing body of psychological research reflecting that....children can easily be led to make up stories and even come to believe those stories." The article convenient neglects to show studies that contradict this and that there is strong evidence that it is difficult to lead anyone to construct a memory of abuse. I have studies to prove this.



Scat May 12, 2009 - 11:19 pm
Only a fucking idiot would believe that children do not embellish or acquiesce during questioning or leading. If you look around at the facts on adult eyewitness accounts being faulty it takes little imagination to understand children in this case toddlers are easily manipulated.


children's testimony is accurate smartnews May 14, 2009 - 08:58 pm
Actually there is research that shows that children's testimony is usually accurate. I am not allowed to print it here, so I will list a few urls on this and related articles for readers to visit.

http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/1/res/csa-acc.html

http://ritualabuse.us/research/false-allegations-of-child-sexual-abuse-by-children-are-rare/

"a new study proves that their (children's) allegations should be taken seriously.

http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/?id=ABUSE.SPR

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6V7N-48NC1DN-8&_user=10&_rdoc=1&_fmt=&_orig=search&_sort=d&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=65202c87aab1224ac207d3df874938d1





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