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Unstable Element

Are Austin's water fluoridation policies dangerous? It depends who you ask.

BY WELLS DUNBAR



The reduced form of the highly reactive chemical element fluorine – better known as fluoride – is commonly added to municipal tap water, in order to strengthen our teeth. When we eat sugars and refined carbs, bacteria lurking in our mouths use them to form acids. Eventually the acids can grow strong enough to eat through tooth enamel in a process known as demineralization, which eventually creates cavities. Fluoride promotes remineralization – while that can't plug cavities, it can stop or slow their growth, help build a new coat of enamel, and kill the acid-creating bacteria. That's the theory behind Austin's use of fluoride since the Seventies, re-endorsed this month by an official city report as providing "a public benefit." The federal Centers for Disease Control has recognized water fluoridation as one of "Ten Great Public Health Achievements" of the 20th century, along with other noble causes like vaccinations, infectious disease control, and recognizing the dangers of tobacco.

Or so they'd have you believe.

Think of fluoride opposition, and your mind tumbles into a rabbit hole of Cold War, Red-baiting hysteria with reactionary conservative groups chiming in; for instance, the John Birch Society, which explicitly described fluoridation as part of a nefarious Communist plot or form of mass indoctrination – a paranoia famously aped in Stanley Kubrick's 1964 black comedy Dr. Strangelove, as General Jack D. Ripper launched a nuclear assault on Russia, supposed seat of the fluoride threat:

"Do you realize that in addition to fluoridating water, why, there are studies underway to fluoridate salt, flour, fruit juices, soup, sugar, milk – ice cream. Ice cream, mandrake, children's ice cream. ... How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hardcore Commie works."

Sterling Hayden as Ripper was spectacularly ludicrous, and Strangelove may have marked a cultural tipping point from conservative orthodoxy to liberal disdain for anti-scientific Red Scares. Yet nearly half a century later, fluoride's effect on the essence of our natural bodily fluids is once again under debate, and not as a part of Red Scare hysteria or a socialist plot. Locally, much like Coca-Cola working the night shift on an unsuspecting molar, a steady drip of citizen pressure has eroded the city's resistance to the discussion.

And the question is raised anew: Does water fluoridation pose a threat to public health?

Discovering Deception

Citizen communications, the public forum held at high noon during each City Council meeting, allows (every week until recent rule changes) speakers to sign up and address the council for three minutes on any topic of their choice. It's a popular occasion for impassioned, if sometimes factually challenged, speakers to flog their miscellaneous hobbyhorses. Rae Nadler-Olenick, a slight, soft-spoken retired Austinite, at first glance fit the shaky cit-com profile, especially once you learned her favorite topic. But she kept coming back, often with her husband, Walter, or similarly like-minded speakers and a battery of scientific opinions to try and drive home her argument to council: Austin's water fluoridation policies – not to mention most of America's – are bad for our health.

We talked in a quiet corner of City Hall a few minutes after her latest cit-com appearance – a charming, well-researched speech that held up "Austin's own folk icon" John Henry Faulk as wary of fluoridation. "A few years ago," she says, "my husband was diagnosed with osteopenia," a bone-thinning condition that's often a precursor to osteoporosis. "Now when I heard this, my first reaction was just amazement, because as far as I knew, osteoporosis – bone thinning – had always been described as a disease of middle-aged women. It's not a man's disease at all, and here he was with it."

The Olenicks chalked it up to increasing age until a couple of years later when they were hanging out with friends, and it turned out two other men they knew were taking Fosamax, the same drug her husband, Walter, had been prescribed for his condition. "That grabbed my attention. That looked like a cluster to me. I was alarmed," Nadler-Olenick says, shocked to learn that "two other people in the same group, all outdoor-type guys in good health," faced similar ailments.

"What else could they have in common?" she asks. One shared trait was that, like Walter, they all work in construction – and drink lots of liquids. "I know my husband has always got a bottle of, usually, juice in his case; he's constantly hydrating, because he works outdoors, doing carpentry. And these other men have similar profiles, they're outdoorsmen."



Neil Carman
Photo by John Anderson

"I don't remember exactly what pushed me on to look at fluoride," she continues. "We live in such a polluted environment anyway, and it's hard to single one thing out. But I started hearing a little bit here, a little bit there, and then this book, The Fluoride Deception, came to my attention. I read it, and it was like a veil falling away."

The Fluoride Deception, written by Chris­to­pher Bryson and published in 2004, is the Rosetta stone of modern fluoride resistance. Essentially, Bryson argues that fluoride, produced first in large quantities as an industrial waste byproduct of smelting and then as part of the Manhattan Project's uranium enrichment efforts, was made in such volumes, and at such considerable health risks, that the best course of action for the implicated business and governmental elites was to dispose of the stuff by adding it to drinking water, thereby inoculating themselves from lawsuits by whitewashing it as a teeth-strengthening agent with the help of a concerted push from industry, government, and the nascent public relations field.

Reduced so infinitesimally, it sounds unbelievable, deserving a spot on some nervous bookshelf between a copy of Behold a Pale Horse and the collected works of Alex Jones – yet another vociferous fluoridation opponent. But in light of the 20th century history of physician-prescribed cigarettes, lobotomies, asbestos, shock treatment, lead paint, Thalid­o­mide, Vioxx, Fen-phen, and BPAs, does it really sound that far-fetched?

Signs of the Stain

"I'm likely going up against everybody else, because in organized dentistry this is a panacea," says fluoride-free local dentist Griffin Cole. "It's seen as a cure-all, and I don't see it that way." Cole, who's been practicing for almost 18 years, is a dentist with a "biocompatible focus," not just eschewing fluoride but using advanced filtering for mercury removal and performing "oxygen-ozone therapy" in his procedures. "I would say that topically, if you put fluoride on the tooth, you are going to get somewhat of an anticariogenic effect, an anti-cavity effect," he says. "But that's not the issue. It's putting it in the water and drinking it systemically which does nothing for your teeth. That's the huge argument."

Indeed, it's relatively settled on both sides of the argument that fluoride's beneficial effects are topical, and swallowing fluoridated water has no direct strengthening effect on teeth. The concept behind mass fluoridation is that drinking optimally fluoridated water raises the persistent level of fluoride in saliva and plaque fluid and thereby has a cumulative effect that remineralizes enamel and kills decay-causing bacteria. In Western Europe, where fluoridation is much less common than in the U.S., similar effects are achieved with topical fluoride gels (or toothpaste) – and public dental care is also more universal.

But if a little fluoride may be good for you, too much can definitely be bad. Fluoride overdoses do occur, although not necessarily associated with municipal fluoridation – it's more often a consequence of industrial production or else a rural anomaly. The iconic fluoride image is teeth bearing a distinctive, dappled brown stain, a sign of those exposed to high levels in childhood. Known as the "Colorado Brown Stain" (for the place it was first documented) or "Texas Teeth" (due to the state's pockets of dense, naturally occurring fluoride), the scientific nomenclature is dental fluorosis, which can register as barely visible white streaks, brown stains, or, in severe cases, a "pitting," or cracking, of the teeth. Higher levels of fluoride poisoning can lead to skeletal fluorosis, a crippling, weakening bone disease.

Fluorosis is one of several worries in the anti-fluoride movement. The Fluoride Action Net­work (www.fluoridealert.org), perhaps the largest online opposition clearinghouse, stokes worries about an increased risk of bone cancer, kidney malfunction, impacted thyroid gland and pineal gland function, brain damage, lowered IQ, and more. You can spend hours scouring the FAN website, each of its health claims seemingly supported with scientific findings – just as you can spend days combing through the statements from the CDC, the Texas Department of State Health Services, the American Medical Association, and the Amer­i­can Dental Association, to cite a few, endorsing water fluoridation and saying such afflictions can't be caused by the current amounts in our drinking water. In the debate over water fluoridation, each side claims science as an ally, and each yields no quarter.

But some science does evolve. In a burst of ammunition for fluoridation opponents, in 2006 the ADA revised its position on fluoride for infants and young children, citing concerns over dental fluorosis. Its "Interim Guidance on Reconstituted Infant Formula," while endorsing breast-feeding, says that if preparing a dry-mix formula, "parents and caregivers should consider using water that has no or low levels of fluoride."

Consider the Smorgasbord

It's a clear, bracing day at the Ullrich Water Treatment Plant in West Austin, which, perched on a grassy hillside, provides a broad, rolling view of the city. Overlooking one of the huge open-air water tanks at Ullrich, Jane Burazer, assistant director of treatment at Austin Water Utility, describes the five-step process in the tanks: disinfection, in which chemicals including chlorine are added to kill pathogens; coagulation, which readies undesirable particles to combine; flocculation, which stirs the waters so they do combine; sedimentation, when the particles finally settle out; and filtration, a "final polishing step" that gets the stuff that didn't settle.

The water then leaves the tank through underground tubes, where fluoride in the form of hydrofluorosilicic acid is added. Whenever the plant receives a shipment, trucks pull up to a special feed station and start funneling the stuff – through high-density plastic tubes because hydrofluorosilicic acid will eat through metal – into two 6,800-gallon polyethylene storage tanks which stand in a separate, open-air building. Looking at the imposing pair, they seem ripped from a set design for The Toxic Avenger. And after everything I've heard about hydrofluorosilicic acid, I'm slightly paranoid.

"You can tell that there's something in the air, I feel," I say. "Or am I overreacting?"



Rae Nadler-Olenick and Walter Olenick
Photo by John Anderson

"I think you're overreacting," says Burazer.

"You really don't smell the chemical aroma?" I say. Maybe it's just endemic to the plant, period, because when we walked in, it smelled like a chlorinated swimming pool.

"I really don't. I'm not just saying that."

Much of my hydrofluorosilicic acid knowledge comes from Neil Carman, clean air program director of the local Lone Star Chapter of the Sierra Club and a fluoride opponent. Most hydrofluorosilicic acid, he says, is created as a byproduct of phosphate fertilizer production. "They're mining this in Florida, because it's an old sea bed down there. There's a lot of phosphorous there. The problem is they've got some contaminants or impurities they don't want" – one being fluorine, which, Car­man says, fertilizer manufacturers remove because it kills plants. "This is a very toxic substance." So at the end of the fertilizer refinement process, the leftover fluorine is collected in the form of hydrofluorosilicic acid. "What [the city's] getting is a toxic industrial waste byproduct that comes from the wet scrubbers of phosphate fertilizer plants," Carman says. Moreover, other undesirable elements are refined from the phosphorous ore, he adds. "There's heavy metals, there's lead, cadmium. It's a smorgasbord of a toxic soup that's in this stuff that they're buying."

Carman draws a distinction between the hydrofluorosilicic acid – the most popular form of water fluoridation – and naturally occurring sources of fluoridation. "You don't have hydrofluorosilicic acid [in nature]," he says. "You have things like calcium fluoride, magnesium fluoride, potassium fluoride. ... But they're not adding those naturally occurring mineral fluorides. What they're adding is industrial toxic waste." Other steps in the refinement process, including air pollution, water pollution, the strip-mining of the phosphate ore, and phosphogypsum – leftovers from refinement containing radioactive elements like uranium – all worry Carman. "People don't know this at all." (There's also the cost: Fluoride costs have risen each year since 2006, and the utility estimates it will spend about $310,000 over the next year and $1,500 each at the two plants on upkeep.)

The Water Utility has a purchasing contract with Florida-based Lucier Chemical Industries for its acid needs, but Lucier is just the vendor; the actual manufacturer is the Mosaic Company, the self-described "world's leading producer and marketer of concentrated phosphate." AWU notes that for every million gallons of water treated, it adds 2.7 gallons of hydrofluorosilicic acid. By the utility's own estimate, since it started fluoridating in 1973 through July 2009, it's added 25,150 tons.

Heavy metals such as lead are indeed present in hydrofluorosilicic acid, along with another corrosive acid, hydrofluoric acid; both are present in very small amounts, less than 0.02% and 1% respectively, according to a Lucier product data sheet. Burazer says that the fluoride, as well as all other chemicals the Water Utility uses, meets National Sanitation Foundation Standard 60 certification requirements, a universally recognized standard which controls for purity and the presence of contaminants like lead, arsenic, radionuclides, and all other manner of things you wouldn't want to drink. (The NSF is a nonprofit, nongovernmental agency with no regulatory authority, but it does certify products as being safe at the maximum dose, and pure to an acceptable level.) "We get the information from NSF," Burazer says. "They're not going to certify a company that doesn't meet their regulations and rules." The utility also performs its own water purity tests.

Burazer doesn't take a stand on fluoridation one way or another. It's not her job; the utility is simply "feeding it because of the will of the people." But she recognizes fluoride is fundamentally different from all the other chemicals used in the treatment process. "Most of our treatment is designed around disease prevention," so "fluoride is an unusual thing. You're not feeding it for a water quality issue. It's a health issue, and we're not health experts, so we don't take a position on it. ... The issues are still out there, and we're not in a position to say this is the absolute correct thing; we're doing it because of the referendum."

Health and Environment

Austin has been fluoridating the water supply since 1973. A nonbinding fluoridation election was put to Austin voters in 1971 – it passed overwhelmingly (73%); put to a binding referendum vote the following year, it passed again, albeit by a smaller margin (57%). But as that election was initiated by council action and not citizen petition, it would require a simple majority vote by a subsequent council – just four members – to change or end the city's fluoridation policies.

That's among the findings in a recent Water Fluoridation Report prepared by the city and issued to council Nov. 13, and it's pretty much the only good news fluoridation opponents will find there. The report, assembled by Assistant City Manager Rudy Garza, called upon several city departments to address fluoridation procedures, health effects, environmental impacts, and legal issues. Garza's summary states, "The report findings show that the present level of fluoride in Austin's drinking water has no harmful impact to human health or adverse effect on aquatic life and provides a public benefit in preventing dental decay."

Philip Huang, medical director for the Austin/Travis County Health and Human Resources Department, says, "The weight of the peer-reviewed scientific evidence does not support" claims of "any adverse health effect or systemic disorder, including an increased risk for cancer, Down syndrome, heart disease, osteoporosis and bone fracture, immune disorders, low intelligence, renal disorders, Alzheimer's disease, or allergic reactions." The Watershed Protection Department delivers a less ringing endorsement of fluoride's environmental effects. "At the present levels of fluoride addition, there does not appear to be a strong potential for adverse aquatic life impacts," the department finds, later noting, "from a purely environmental protection standpoint, there is no reason to fluoridate drinking water. The decision to fluoridate drinking water should be based on the comparison of human health benefits from reduced dental cavities versus any potential human health risks."



The Austin Water Utility’s Jane Burazer, at Ullrich Water Treatment Plant
Photo by John Anderson

Garza says the report was put together at the behest of City Manager Marc Ott, partially in response to "concerns raised by some citizens consistently for the past year. The manager ... directed us to form this multidepartment team to look at all the aspects of this and submit a final report." Separating fluoride worries into "two big issues: impact to health and impact to the environment," Garza says the report "finds no concern" for either. As for the effects fluoridation opponents warn of, Garza says, "I feel pretty confident that the medical director and our environmental folks both agree that it could become problematic," if fluoride was ingested in higher levels. "But again, it's such a small amount."

"It was a rubber stamp, basically," responds Nadler-Olenick. A post on her Fluoride Fol­lies blog says, "The assistant city manager's disingenuous report" is a "feel-good opus rubber-stamping the status quo [and] smacks of bad faith. It settles nothing." She asks what happened to a motion from the city's Environmental Board, issued this summer, which called for City Council to appoint an "independent task force/committee" to study fluoridation, including, but not limited to, the groups that participated in the city manager's study. "It is not the panel that the Environ­mental Board had in mind, I'm sure of that. And I'm not exactly sure why it emanated from the city manager's office. That is surprising to me, because the Environmental Board's recommendation was to the council." However, the Environmental Board serves in a purely advisory capacity and can't force the council to act on its recommendations. Moreover, it sounds like there was a communication lapse between the groups. Phil Moncada, board secretary, was surprised to hear about the report, which he had yet to see. "Why would we have moved forward asking council to do something, if it was already being done?"

The Long Fight

America's demagogic id, always bubbling along beneath the glossy pop-cultural surface, has been newly unbridled in recent months, running across the country in the form of birthers, deathers, tea partiers, and other assorted members of the right-wing's cult of professional victimhood. As historian and Nixonland author Rick Perlstein noted in a column for The Washington Post, "the crazy tree blooms in every moment of liberal ascendancy," and the hysteria surrounding health care reform appears closely akin to the John Birch Society's fluoride frenzy in the midst of JFK's Camelot and LBJ's Great Society. In that respect, fears of fluoridation – an omnipresent, inescapable component of daily city life – seem tailor-made for our latest age of anxiety.

Nadler-Olenick acknowledges the strange history of fluoridation and anti-fluoridation and the awkward position in which it places her and other local fluoride opponents – that due to the crackpot theories espoused by the Birchers and persistent in their political descendants, science-based opposition to mass fluoridation may be similarly consigned to the loony bin of history. "The science has moved on," she says, echoing a line from Neil Carman. "My way of saying it would be, evidence of harm is accumulating. ... It really doesn't matter what the John Birch Society was doing back then."

In Texas, fluoride opponents have achieved some limited victories. A fluorid battle has raged in the San Antonio suburb of Alamo Heights, where the City Council, after authorizing fluoridation in 2004 but never actually implementing it, voted to repeal authorization last year, with cost cited as an issue. The Elgin City Council voted to end fluoridation in 2007, seemingly more out of health concerns. But with a new, bullish report from city staff, it doesn't seem like reconsidering fluoridation is high on the Austin council agenda. (See "Change on Tap? Council on Fluoride.")

Nadler-Olenick says she'll keep her website and blog (www.fluoridefreeaustin.com) going and continue speaking to council. She also hopes to spread the message on public access TV and build inroads with Austin's minority communities to keep spreading her message. "This could be a very long battle; I hope not, but it could be. This didn't happen overnight, and it won't be undone overnight. A lot of people will fight a while, and then they'll get tired, because it's so exhausting. I'm not planning to get tired – no matter what – but it could be a real long fight."


Parts Per Million: Pick a Number

Fluoride is an optional additive, so there's no minimum level that must be met, but there's an array of maximum suggested levels, and guide­lines for effective dosage vary tremendously. Here are some benchmark fluoridation levels, in parts per million:

4.0 Maximum level allowed by the EPA, to prevent serious health effects such as skeletal fluorosis

2.0 Secondary guideline standard, above which dental fluorosis and mottling may occur

1.0 World Health Organization recommended level

0.7-1.2 "Optimal fluoride levels," according to the Centers for Disease Control (adjusted for climate)

0.75 Average fluoride level in Austin water


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Study Proves Fluoridation = Money Wasted nyscof Nov 24, 2009 - 08:53 pm
Children's cavity rates are similar whether water is fluoridated or not, according to data published in the July 2009 Journal of the American Dental Association by dentist J.V. Kumar of the NY State Health Department (1). Kumar is also an ADA fluoridation award winner and major fluoridation promoter. In 2008, New York City spent approximately $24 million on water fluoridation ($5 million on fluoride chemicals)(1a). In 2010, NYC's fluoride chemicals will cost $9 million (1b). Yet cavities are rampant in NY's fluoridated populations (1c). Attempting to prove that fluorosed teeth have fewer cavities, Kumar uses 1986-1987 National Institute of Dental Research (NIDR) data which, upon analysis, shows that 7- to 17-year-olds have similar cavity rates in their permanent teeth whether their water supply is fluoridated or not (Table 1). In 1990, using the same NIDR data, Dr. John Yiamouyiannis published equally surprising results in a peer-reviewed journal. He concluded, "No statistically significant differences were found in the decay rates of permanent teeth or the percentages of decay-free children in the F [fluoridated], NF [non-fluoridated], and PF [partially fluoridated] areas." (2). Kumar divided children into four groups based on their community's water fluoride levels: Less than 0.3 mg/L where 55.5% had cavities From 0.3 to 0.7 mg/L where 54.6% had cavities Optimal 0.7 to 1.2 mg/L where 54.4% had cavities Over 1.2 mg/L where 56.4% had cavities References: http://tinyurl.com/MoneyDownTheDrain


Just Stop It NOW ! Jeannon Kralj Nov 29, 2009 - 03:23 pm
Yes, fluoride is bad and the City of Austin knows it's bad, but what is worse is that the City uses hydrofluorosilicic acid to fluoridate our water and there are strong studies done to show that using that agent causes an increased rate of absorption of lead by children, especially children who are raised in poverty environments. We're talking about brain damage from high levels of lead that causes severe behavioral and learning problems in children as well as impulsive behavior and violent crimes. The correlation between lead, hydrofluorosilic acid and violent crime have been studied extensively by Dr. Rober Masters and Dr. Myron Copeland. http://www.dartmouth.edu/~rmasters/We must all DEMAND that the City of Austin impose and IMMEDIATE MORATORIUM on the use of hydrofluorosilic acid until testing and high quality studies are done proving that it is safe for humans. There are currently no tests and no studies at all about this substance that is ruining the lives of many of Austin's children.To hear a 11-4-09 interview of Dr. Masters by Dr. Stan Monteitch, access the free archived audio via RadioLiberty.com.


Clean Water Common Sense NickATX Nov 30, 2009 - 01:00 pm
I cant believe that anyone has agreed to put anything in water.I heard Vitamin C is good for you. Should we add that too?This logic would lead to a perceived health wise concoction that would end up muddying the water. You like fluoride, buy tooth paste or mouth wash with it. Dont make me drink it.Keep clean water as clean and pure as possible.Whats so hard to accept about that?Is there no longer any common sense in our government?


DanielMee Nov 30, 2009 - 10:29 pm
The above comment cites two sources. The first is a study called "The Association Between Enamel Fluorosis and Dental Caries in U.S. Schoolchildren," published in the Journal of the American Dental Association, 2009, issue 140, pp 855-862. The abstract for the article states "[p]ermanent maxillary right first molars with fluorosis consistently had lower levels of caries experience than did normal molars" and concludes that "[t]his study’s findings suggest that molars with fluorosis are more resistant to caries than are molars without fluorosis." This does not square with the description of the study in the above comment. The second source is a paper published by the International Society for Fluoride Research, which is an activist group, and not a scientific foundation. Yiamouyiannis was a leading antifluoridation activist who repeatedly claimed, incorrectly, that fluorosis causes cancer. I would investigate Dunbar's scientific sources as well, but he has done me the favor of failing to cite any. In all seriousness, this article is very light on real information. Dunbar doesn't seem to have spoken to any scientists, and only one dentist, who opposes fluoridation but favors ozone therapy, a far more controversial practice. Of course everyone deserves to have their opinion heard, but a story about a scientific issue needs to address what the actual facts are in at least as much depth as the author's own olfactory perceptions. To present the opinions of a few people as the substance of the story is irresponsible.


Spit, Don't Swallow mjordan Dec 01, 2009 - 01:59 pm
The argument that flouridating the public water supply prevents tooth decay is silly. Flouride only prevents tooth decay when applied DIRECTLY to your teeth. There is zero benefit when you drink it. That is the main issue this article ignores. You don't EAT toothpaste, right? You smear it on your teeth, then spit it out. The same is true for flouridated water -- gargle with it, then spit it out, people! This stuff is not supposed to be ingested. For that reason, it should not be introduced artificially in to the water supply, because the public water supply is meant to be DRINKABLE.


Dentists flunk out JimSchultz Dec 09, 2009 - 11:55 am
Dental professional ignorance is the norm when it comes to fluoridation. They are simplistic talking point experts. This was verified in two states with all professionals tested in Indiana with only 17% even understanding the new theory of post eruptive topical benefit. 83% still clung on to the now disproved ingested pre eruptive theory they were hammered with at school. Old dogs can learn new tricks but it is very slow with dentists. Almost impossible for most as they avoid the wealth of data showing fluoridation foolish and risky. Most of the nations in the world are proven on WHO data to decrease cavities as much and often more with out fluoridation. Same for CDC data in every state showing no tracking except by income levels.Poor in every state have more cavities. Dr Osmunson DDS and MPH speaks clearly so all can understand. http://www.fluoridealert.org has the video and youtube also. The real expert professionals of the EPA science unions have for years asked management and congress to halt fluoridation. They in 1985 detailed the fraud and altered documents that allowed this worthless con job to continue. They filed a 29 Page Amicus Curie brief in 1986 showing total violation of the SDWA . The courts refused to review. In 2000 Dr Bill Hirzy addressed the Calvert congressional hearings detailing why fluoridation should halt. Charles Fox EPA management said he would warn all medical professionals of the many at risk susceptable subgroups like seniors(50 up),kidney patients, heart patients, those low in calcium ,magnesium and vitamin c or of course protein. This has not begun to date so dentists are just as ignorant as ever on the topic.Go to pubmed.com and read the Yoder K.M. 2007 Indiana study that I mentioned above and verify this documented lack of knowledge.The Warren Levy Iowa study 2008 mentions the lack of real science ever for optimal dose. They verified it is outdated and does not determine intake as there are so many sources it is almost impossible to measure accurate dose. They showed increased dose increased dental fluoroisis not decreasing cavities. 41% had dental fluorosis by age 9 when they measured. That will rise as already damaged teeth pop out in the rear.Burt Detroit 2007 shows almost 100% with cavities by age 5 and 83% with severe untreated decay by 14. Detroit was one of the first cities to fluoridate and big fluoridated inner cites all have surges cavities because of poor nutrition and few dentists willing to treat poor


fluordation for more lead JimSchultz Dec 09, 2009 - 12:19 pm
H2SiF6 is the smokestack pollution scrubber4 toxic waste used for fluoridation. It is super corrosive and leaches lead extremely well from solder, brass and even copper pipes. Washington DC had a massive failure when they switched disinfectants to chloramine in 2000. This makes it mega destructive as well documented by Maas 2007 Coplan 2007 and Masters Coplan Dartmouth mentioned above with 41% more lead with H2SiF6. The new chloramines make it 9 times more destructive and lead leaching. Actually in DC the lead levels became hundreds and thousands of times over the 15ppb limit. This was noted immediately in 2000 but they illegally hid this from the public for almost 3 full years before a employee leaked it to the press. They fired her of course. This was a massive screw up and the EPA and CDC management assisted in a grand cover up and fraud. The first 100 million spend only made the problem worse as they did it wrong putting copper between lead pipe sections. Very stupid. Finally it was brought under control they claim by orthophosophate which reduces corrosion. But if Ph is not perfect chemical balance is off the lead problem explodes. Also Marc Edwards Virginia Tech corrosion expert discovered the problem early and documented the lead levels and was not paid as he would not assist in the cover up. He said tens of billions of corrosion pipe and water ,mildue, home damage could easily be caused from H2SiF6 chloramine corrosion damage cities cause.H2SiF6 is the main source of lead in most cities water. your city causes it with fluoridation. Drink up Austin. Just use caution where. I personally have cut walls apart and found pipes looking like soaker hoses from poor chemical control. Every single condo had to be totally pipe replaced at great expense. H2SiF6 and chloramines mean more water heater failures also. This can cause so much damage and I had good friends that had 3 floor levels destroyed. Fluoridation causes that also. It does not just screw up teeth with ugly damage. It is a cumulative toxin just like arsenic and lead storing in bones and tissue at ever increasing toxic levels for a lifetime.


Texas court case JimSchultz Dec 10, 2009 - 01:55 pm
Fluoridation lost big in a impartial third party review of data from both sides. About 1978 three cases all went against fluoridation clearly citing it was unlikely of any benefit ingested but or great risk and harm as a cumulative toxin to many. Cancer, thyroid, hip fracture were all concerns besides of course the damaged enamel of dental fluorosis which is classic fluoride toxicity evidence. Exposures are much higher from the EPA data of today with many times more intake on average from the new sources in many more foods and dental products. Judge Anthony Farris ruled in the case in Texas but was over ruled on jurisdiction not findings of fact. The federal courts only considered police state powers to medicate for the greater good with no proof of benefit even required. The Pennsylvania ruling had 2800 pages of transcripts. Judge Niemann in Illinois also deceided against fluoridation. They all heard both sides and cross examined the experts.The EPA unions in 1985 discovered outright fraud in altered reports and ignored data. Dr. Robert Carton was president of the union then and a federal lawsuit got no action. Management refused to respond in house. The unions 11 of them asked congress in 2005 to halt fluoridation again. No response. The total is 19 EPA professional unions asking for a halt immediately. These are the true science experts that understand the risks of deadly cumulative toxins to so many high risk groups. Management refused to consider high users or high risk groups or any diseases except the third stage of skeletal fluorisis. It is ignored when it is just disabling pains unless your spine is totally fused rigid. Many suffer the joint pain from high intakes and many exceed the 10mg for 10 years known warning for damage. I exceeded that myself many times over and had severe joint pain until I quit my fluoride water intake. As a senior I was in the biggest high risk group the US Tox Profile warned in 1993. The EPA promised in 2000 to congress to inform medical professionals of the whole list of risks but have not yet.Dentists are not the experts on whole body toxicy so it is highly improper for them to say safe for all and everyone benefits. http://www.iaomt.org is a more scientific position considering science not blind promotion. http://www.nteu280.org is the EPA unions website with 8 fluoridation papers including a history of the fraud. James Robert Deal is assisting in lawsuits in a class action. fluorideclassaction.org


Be Proud Austin JimSchultz Dec 11, 2009 - 11:41 am
The people in Austin are lucky to have such a quality group of people to represent the best health interests of the people. All of your group that spoke to the city against fluoridation were outstanding with all their different styles and issues they brought up. No one was out in left field talking silly except for the paid promoters. Mr Haung just more or less keep repeating the same one size fits all response for the health department. When asked questions he was like a deer in the headlights trying to repeat the same foolish talking points as if that is science. Most of the health department people I talk to never read any of the science except for a handful at the top levels. The best they have to offer is comic book simple rote talking points. One size fits all hammered away. That slap chop ,sham wow guy is more professionals and gives a money back guarantee. It is getting harder to shock me with the pure foolishness that comes out of the paid experts.The dentists will most likely start coming to protect their reputations. In Port Huron Michigan 20 dentists talked to the city commission at two meetings with not one mentioning a current peer reviewed study. One did claim he thought there was a study in 1960 that had six times more cavities when fluoridation ended but he could not remember exactly where. If a anti fluoride person were so unprofessional it would be noted. We show the data and peer reviewed studies and piles of government data and they talk about endorsements and what they believe. I think dentists should earn that respect most of us give them. They are not qualified by training or regulation to diagnosis or treat anyone outside the oral cavity. Fluoridation is medication with unknown amounts of never tested toxic waste to people never knowing what of many risk factors they have that will put them at much greater risk. California says they can lose their license if they do. Seniors and kidney patients along with diabetics and heart patients are some of those risk groups. Babies are greatest at risk as their kidneys filter fluoride very poorly and they have 3,4,5 times higher dose by weight when formula is fluoridated. At 2.5 oz per pound do the math for a adult. 100lb 2 gal 200 lb 4 gal. Their growth rate also makes them more susceptable and their blood brain barrier is not complete either. The 2006 NRC showed 1100 studies showing risk in 507 pages and by 12-0 vote said the current EPA max is not protective and the EPA should lower.


Have Dr Neil Carmen Debate JimSchultz Dec 11, 2009 - 12:03 pm
Keep making the offer of a open maybe moderated debate. I can assure you the last thing the health department or dentists want is to showcase the science. They full well know they can only bluff and must avoid nearly all the current data. Now all the researchers must say something good about fluoride in the abstract or never get another funding dollar. The data shows harm or little or no benefit so they just strech the truth or flat ignore the truth. Most just repeat simplistic talking points and stay on point. It is never about science. It is about old endorsements given before the first experments were even completed. It was all such a sham as Newburgh still has the unfluoridated Kingston with slightly less cavities and lots less dental fluorisis. Kurmar NY health department reported that and his new study proves in 2009 the 1986-7 shows more dental fluorisis from fluoride toxicity does not mean less cavities like they prayed for. The CDC MMWR in 2005 and 2007 showed about double the moderate and severe really ugly teeth for black kids but the CDC still refuses to warn the public of this double risk even after ethics charges in 2007. This was known in the first Grand Rapids study with data in 1962 Russell 40% blacks and 19% whites for dental fluorisis. 10% was supposed to be the top damaged allowed or halt fluoridation. Fluoridation is about hiding the harm and false claims from poorly designed studies. To make reality even uglier they use never tested for chronic safety or benefit toxic waste from smokestack pollution scrubbers. Ask for the specification sheet page 12 of the AWWA b703-06. You can buy it for 51 bucks but it is a public record so ask the commission or city manager. NSF is only required to test one batch a year and it differs by the hour as it is a very crude chemical process. It is a guess at best. Cities always refuse to actually test the product before dilution. They do not want to document what a radioactive toxic soup it is so they can deny it.


Potential abuse of posting mking Dec 11, 2009 - 02:49 pm
To whom it may concern:This is an Austin Chronicle posting forum, and while we welcome all commentary on our stories, and lively debate with few restrictions, we discourage open-ended rants on personal hobbyhorses, under the guise of supposed "research"-- that is, "things I found on the Internet that I already agree with." A word to the wise: When folks just keep posting lengthy, one-sided dissertations on their favorite obsessions, our delete fingers get itchy.More specifically, on the current fluoride threads: With enemies like these, fluoridation doesn't need any friends.I hope that's a sufficient warning.Michael KingNews Editor


EPA fluoride max chart JimSchultz Dec 12, 2009 - 09:06 am
The last numbers forget to mention the 12-0 vote that these are not protective said the NRC 2006 review. The EPA was directed to revise them downward but has chosen not to respond to this safety issue. Dr. Hirzy former union spokesman EPA union has said it is because no one wants to be the one that killed fluoridation. 3 Panel members suggested the optimal dose is at or above where the max should be so no margin of safety exists. The EPA unions in 2005 said if stand policy was followed the correct goal for fluoride is ZERO. Just exactly like arsenic and lead which are also cumulative toxins. You can verify in the chemistry bible or Merck index fluoride is more toxic then lead. Fluoride is the most electro negative of all elements being very reactive and displaces all other halogens such as Iodine. That is the basis of it damage to thyroid function that was known over a hundred years ago. Sodium fluoride was used as a drug to lessen thyroid output for hyper thyroid patients at doses 2.4-4.5mg day which is at and below current total exposure for most in fluoridated cities. Fluoride was used in Germany as a medication until 1978 to lower thyroid function. Synthorid and others are in the top five drugs used in US. Yes low thyroid output is a epidemic. A bigger epidemic then h1n1. mercola.com RussellblaylockMD.org westonaprice.org all have excellent fluoridation information for a non CDC hype.


Invitation to dentists and health department JimSchultz Dec 14, 2009 - 10:03 am
Please come foreward and enter the debate. ride your hobby horse and give your rant or even better current peer reviewed science showing.1 The chemical used specific H2SiF6 has been tested chronic use for both safety and benefit.2 H2SiF6 and chlorine ,chloramine mix is not corrosive and extreme lead leaching. Is not the prime cause of lead testing failures in homes and old schools especially3 Fluoridation is not a cause of the huge surge in dental fluorisis.4 The ADA does actually imply the dental fluorosis surge is caused by parents poorly supervising brushing and only 13% is actually from fluoridation.5 The current fluoride intake is totally safe for all at optimal dose. This in light of no knowledge of other sources or even intakes from the highest users like athletes ,workers and babies the highest users by weight.6 Any data showing topical benefit is possible at 1ppm range. The Uk in 2008 Aug and Aussies this year said only 1000ppm and above had meaningful benefit for kids in toothpaste. Show the researcher that shows this mechanism tested at 1ppm of salvia benefit. FAN shows many that say it is not of measurable benefit.7 Show the study of current total fluoride intakes from all sources that proves fluoride deficiency without fluoridation. Does Austin have any data for things like bone fluoride concentrations or dental fluorisis.8 That the CDC data showing blacks with double the moderate and severe really life changing ugly damage is of no concern to those damaged. Have they been given knowledge of this risk and signed informed consent forms for their children. Would this even be binding for future damage claims to be made whole.9 The 12-0 vote by the NRC 2006 findings said the Max Goal is not protective. What margin of safety is proper for all parties. Only average dose of 2 quarts and no health risks and only one disease concern of skeletal severe fluorisis was considered in setting the 4.0ppm goal. Even then the 1986 vote was 7-2 saying it was not safe to go above 2.4ppm and severe dental fluorosis was also a medical condition.( thus fluoridation was illegal if that was not removed from the findings)Please Mr Haung grab the bull by the horns and show us the science. PS I think we have heard the talking points enough so just the peer reviewed science this time. I have asked many health departments questions but all have avoided the tough questions every time. I have had them tell me all the other agencies to ask and why not them.




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