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Point Austin: Unpropped

Prop. 2 is about much more than a vote against the Domain

BY MICHAEL KING

It's not a "no-brainer."

That slogan, adopted by the Proposition 2-supporting Stop Domain Subsidies campaign, is both misleading on its face and an insult to Austin voters. However you choose to vote on Prop. 2, please take the time to consider both the intended and unintended but likely consequences of an attempt to ban any and all "financial incentives [for any development] that includes one or more retail uses." If you've read this week's editorial board endorsements, you're aware that, we've come down (although not unanimously) against Prop. 2 as an inappropriate attempt to reject one particular city agreement by amending the charter and also as what one of us called "using a sledgehammer where a scalpel would be appropriate." We're not happy to be on the opposite side of an argument embraced by many activists we respect, as well as by numerous local businesses and political groups. But after reviewing the amendment in full (not possible on the ballot itself) and talking with people on both sides, most of us concluded that Prop. 2 is a well-intentioned but bad amendment that will likely backfire in its principal goal (ending subsidies to the Domain) and, even more likely, cause municipal headaches and unnecessary expense over other projects, while eliminating a useful city tool that can and has worked well when used judiciously.

I'm tempted to write "a pox on both their houses," since either way the vote goes, bad results are possible. A yes vote will invite lawsuits, require the city to violate a legal contract, damage the city's credibility, and undermine good projects; a no vote will be interpreted in some quarters as authorizing retail subsidies without conditions. But as the public consensus remains highly skeptical and the current council is on record as opposing such subsidies, I'm less worried about the latter outcome. We elect public officials to make decisions, and sometimes they make poor ones; but this proposition campaign is yet another Austin demonstration of the folly of government by petition.

In brief, voters are being asked to amend the City Charter – the fundamental structural document of city government – to punish a single developer and a previous City Council and then to wait two years (until the next available charter election) while the unintended effects are sorted out (some likely by courts) and other quite worthy and progressive city projects are derailed or delayed. That doesn't strike me as a good deal nor a rational way to make city policy. Supporters insist that the proposition targets only the Domain. If it's that simple, then why rewrite the City Charter for a policy obstreperously aimed at a single property and project?


Playing Community Dominoes

We don't even have to go far to discover already unintended consequences. The ban on all subsidies for any project that includes any retail use will certainly affect the Mueller neighborhood development – generally acclaimed as a local and national model – for which sales taxes from the commercial sector subsidize the project's infrastructure. Jim Walk­er of the Mueller Neighborhood Coali­tion, who has heroically devoted years of volunteer time to make Mueller successful, is understandably trying to keep Mueller out of the campaign argument. He insists that if Prop. 2 passes, people on all sides – city, neighborhood, and developers – should be able to work out solutions for Mueller. "There are plenty of creative people and creative lawyers associated with the project," he told me, "who should be able to find a solution." But in fact a solution isn't readily apparent – the amendment would also prohibit not only tax rebates but using "other resources of the city" to replace the sales taxes.

Walker isn't rude enough to ask, but I am: Why should a well-functioning project at Mueller have to be renegotiated and restructured because some people want to thumb their hipster noses at Neiman Marcus? Said Walker of the possible effects on Mueller, "We don't want to unravel the thing, and nobody's trying to do that, but it's going to take an ongoing community conversation to keep the project going."

That's one major project already placed in jeopardy. What of the planned Green Water Treatment Plant redevelopment, which will certainly contain retail uses and in theory also affordable housing, transit access, and other features that will likely require city subsidies to make economically viable? Unknown – perhaps Green will be large enough to use tax-increment financing, mysteriously exempted in the amendment as somehow purer than a sales-tax rebate. In a similar hypocrisy, the amendment would exempt subsidies underwriting renewable energy or more efficient water use – if we're going to ban all retail subsidies, why should an environmental exemption rank above all other city priorities and community values?


Enter the Sledgehammer

I certainly admire the sheer doggedness of the Prop. 2 supporters, especially that of Brian Rodgers of SDS, who has sunk years of his time and much of his own money into this single-minded campaign against the city's 2003 decision to subsidize the Domain, a deal that in retrospect was too sweet for the developers, too sour for the city (although in fairness, the full good or bad results will not be known for years). But I think the whole argument has become entirely too personal, style-based, and shortsighted. Several prominent Prop. 2 supporters – a couple even featured in SDS campaign videos – have privately told me that while they won't go on the record, they believe that amending the charter is the wrong way to change this city policy.

That's just great – I get to be the party pooper. So be it – voting "against the Domain" is so much easier than understanding what's more broadly at stake in community initiatives. I understand the frustration of proponents who want to end large-scale retail subsidies, and I fully respect their intentions. But good intentions won't enable the next progressive mixed-use, mixed-housing, transit-based development from being hamstrung or prevented by the inability of the city to participate directly, as it sometimes should.

Walker noted that while the Prop. 2 campaign clearly reflects "an erosion of trust between the citizens of Austin and city officials," it shouldn't just become a personal argument about people's attitudes toward the Domain. "I don't think the charter's the right place for that kind of thing," he concluded.

Amen.


Propositions 1 and 2

Download the city ordinance mandating the charter amendments, including the ballot language and the full amendment proposals.

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Proposition 2 guest Oct 16, 2008 - 01:25 pm
Michael King-

So in your mind, to vote for Proposition 2 is so that we can "thumb our hipster noses at Neiman Marcus". Aren't the hipsters the ones that shop at Neiman Marcus? And don't you later go on to lament that the argument is "too personal, style-based, and short-sighted"? So, your snarky comments are wholly rational and correct while everyone who would disagree with you is lumped into another, derogatory category of your own choosing. How very clever. It reminds me of how, years ago, Richard Oppel called all of us S.O.S. supporters "granola-munching, knuckle-draggers". I bet you never thought you and he were such kindred spirits, did you?

I can imagine that you will align perfectly with the Statesman editorial board on this issue and, frankly, that does not surprise me in the least anymore. The Austin Chronicle is becoming increasingly irrelevant as a force to counter the political status quo in Austin. Your point seems to be that we citizens should just keep quiet and let the developers and our so-called leaders do whatever they wish in this situation. Thankfully, a lot of us are not taking your lead.

David Kendall

Austin, Texas



Point Austin: Unpropped Stewart Oct 16, 2008 - 02:06 pm
As you pointed out in the article I wish the proponents of Proposition 2 went even further in prohibiting taxpayer dollars from going to any for-profit business. From green-building incentives to small businesses loans, money is best invested from private sources. Plus this issue would gain much wider support if it condemned both big box retailers (the Domain) and certain small businesses being offered forgivable loans (Las Manitas). It should not be excusable to offer taxpayers money to a development just because people happen to live above the Best Buy. And since I agree in principal to the cause against corporate subsidies I believe it's important to apply it to cover all instances.


proposition 2 Ralph Baccus Oct 16, 2008 - 05:26 pm
I am a small business owner in Austin Abc Vacuum Warehouse for 31 years I have worked hard strugled at times but survived, the city has not helped me with any thing. I pay my taxes and get no breaks of any kind from the City I employe 14 people and they all pay their taxes the Domain is not fair to the citizens of Austin who pay their taxes, every one I have told about this becomes angery and what is amazing most don't even know they are helping pay for the Domain to be in business, it is not fair and it is not right, we should not have to pay big business to be hear they should do it just like the rest of us. I am voting for proposition 2, its the right thing to do. Any thing that requires spending tax payers money that is large dollars should be put to the voters just like improvement bonds. The city council is way to free with our money Ralph


The heart of Prop 2 OwnYourCity Oct 17, 2008 - 01:33 am
You guys are missing the essence of this charter amendment.

Prop 2 isn’t about Brian Rogers and his rag-tag militia of subsidy haters vs. the Domain Mall and its mercenary army of free market fearing lobbyists and lawyers. It’s not the coalition of democrats, republicans, libertarians, greens, local business owners, and neighborhood activists vs. City Hall, the Chamber and now, The Austin Chronicle.

It’s about Book People vs. Borders. It’s Discount Furniture vs. Shabby Chic. It’s Shogun vs. Kona Grill. It’s Tabu Lingerie vs. Victoria Secret. It’s Mcbrides vs. Cabellas. It’s Wheatsville Co-op vs. HEB. It’s Alamo Drafthouse vs. Regal Cinema. It’s headquartered in Austin vs. headquartered in New York. It’s locally owned vs. globally traded. It’s sending your dollar to N. Lamar vs. sending it to Wall Street. It’s organizing a marathon vs. organizing a global merger. It’s taxes being spent to keep library doors open vs. taxes being spent to keep window displays furnished. It’s the one who can’t afford lobbyists vs. the many who can. It’s those who must gather thousands of signatures vs. those who can donate thousands of dollars. It’s the will of the people vs. the thrill of the profit.

Plain and simple, it’s the little guy vs. the big guy.

I guess I do agree with Mr. King about one thing. Prop 2 is about much more than a vote against the Domain.

John Bush



guest Oct 17, 2008 - 11:40 am
If you support Pop 2 you support locally owned business! I have owned my own wood flooring business for 3 years now and have been more affected by the market than the retail competition but, as we all know locally business owners fuel much more than there own business alone. When we agree to give out of state corporations tax subsidies to compete with local business we are all affected. My customers "local business owners" begin to suffer from their competition "The Domain" funded with their tax dollars and I and any other locally owned businesses feel the shortcomings! We all depend on a community of Austin based businesses and NOT out of state retail giants!

Vote Yes For Prop 2!

Jeff Hodges



Not whether someone is for or against subsidies guest Oct 18, 2008 - 01:31 am
King clearly does not favor the Domain subsidies and says so. The issue we are voting on is a CHARTER AMENDMENT (akin to amending the Constitution on the national level) that never mentions the Domain. It will affect existing agreements and future agreements in ways that are difficult to predict. I too oppose the Domain subsidies but will vote no on this CHARTER AMENDMENT because this type of legislation doesn't belong there.

BTW, where were all of you when the Domain subsidies were voted on? It was widely reported prior to the vote.



guest Oct 19, 2008 - 09:50 am
Other than voting for the proposition, the solution to the Domain like plague is simple...Don't shop there. Regardless of if they get subsidies or not, if there are no shoppers there will be no business. I actually haven't ever been to the domain. Honestly, I don't even know where it is at. But then again I cant remember the last time I went to Barton Creek Mall either and its near my place.

They are all stores selling crap made in China. Or crap made in China then sent to Italy where a label is affixed.



Amend it. Mr. Invisible Hand Oct 19, 2008 - 11:32 am
"the solution to the Domain like plague is simple...Don't shop there"

The issue is not whether we like or dislike the domain. The question is do we want to give tax breaks to private businesses. ..the merits of which are certainly suspect.



guest Oct 19, 2008 - 03:26 pm
A: I don't want to give a tax break/incentive to anyone. Retail, oil, farming...nobody.

B: I would rather people support local business. Or at least try to support America. Not business that get all their goods from overseas.



Appalled guest Oct 19, 2008 - 05:26 pm
Its appalling that the City Council five years ago voted to give away our hard earned tax dollars to ANY business & now there is a city budget deficit. The effect of the deficit is city libraries must be closed one day a week, city employees do not get a raise (so they can keep up with inflation) & afford to shop at ?maybe? the Domain, and our city park services (such as trash pickup & maintenance) will suffer. In addition, the council is raising the rates we must pay for city services such as trash & waste pickup at our homes.

I guess the City Council figured that if we want a pretty park to enjoy we could just forgo our city parks & head to the 'open space' at the Domain; or go buy a book at Borders instead of checking out a free one at the library. This entire situation is very clearly INSANE!

I don't mind paying my fair share of taxes (many do, but I do not), but ONLY if those taxes are used responsibly & for necessary services for residents of our city, not as a handout to a goddamn corporation to fund their CEO's private yacht.

"BTW, where were all of you when the Domain subsidies were voted on? It was widely reported prior to the vote"

Its pretty clear that the Domain developers & the City Council did NOT want citizen input on this issue since they only gave ONE WEEK notice to us regarding the vote. Where were we? Working hard for the tax money the council unethically & erroneously used; or we were spending quality time at a park or library that money should have been used for.

If the current city council (the one who did not vote for the Domain welfare handout) but is currently mostly against prop 2, if they REALLY cared about using OUR money responsibly, they would do more than just pass a non-binding resolution that is little more than a 'gentleman's agreement', they would pass a binding charter amendment to hold future city leaders more accountable & force them to not use our money for corporate welfare handouts but instead use the money for useful city services & to improve our quality of life. As of yet, they have not- this says really says something & we will remember who you are come election time. Remember Jennifer Kim anyone?

Thumb our noses at business that use our tax dollars just to make more money than for themselves (I guess billions millions of dollars a year is not enough) & thumb our noses at irresponsible city leaders & force them to act responsibly in the future?

YOU ARE GODDAMNED RIGHT!!!



Not ethically OR legally obligated guest Oct 19, 2008 - 06:36 pm
"Keep Austin's word" & we are under a supposedly 'ethical' obligation to pay this money- since when are tax payers ethically obligated to pay money to a corp to help fund their private business ventures? I think not! Simon Group is trying to guilt trip taxpayers into voting no for prop 2 when they did not act in good faith themselves.

http://www.stopdomainsubsidies.com/?page_id=18

Here is a link to the settlement which states the city is under NO LEGAL OBLIGATION to pay Simon this $65 million subsidy. Simon group is LYING when they say they have a right to sue if prop 2 is passed. They are LYING. Look specifically at p.2 #1

http://www.stopdomainsubsidies.com/images/nonpayment_opt.pdf

"Keep Austin's word" is the true 'no brainer'.



Mueller project does not need to be affected guest Oct 19, 2008 - 06:38 pm
Look at FAQ numbers 5 & 6 and what the city could do to keep this from happening.

http://www.stopdomainsubsidies.com/?page_id=121



Change the people, not the power guest Oct 20, 2008 - 09:06 am
I completely agree. Even if you hate the Domain, Prop 2 is a massive overreaction, drafted far too broadly for its purpose. The road to bad law is paved with good intentions, and while I also admire the Prop 2 supporters, they should come back next time with better, more tailored language. Alternatively, instead of taking the city's power, why not vote out the people in power if you don't agree with them? The city's ability to offer incentives to businesses can be used for good, as the author points out. Why not remove the councilmembers that are creating unpopular incentives, rather than removing the power to create incentives at all?


guest Oct 20, 2008 - 11:14 pm
It's not necessary for a city of Austins' caliber to give tax breaks in order to attract businesses. They WANT to move here.


guest Oct 21, 2008 - 01:01 am
Damn Communist mayor. How the hell did we vote in a Communist mayor?


Wait til austin is no longer booming before offering incentives. The Intel bldg. was nice. Oct 21, 2008 - 09:57 am
You can't keep people and businesses from coming here if you paid them NOT to.

Why in the fuck do we subsidize this shit?



Weighing both sides Lisa Oct 21, 2008 - 07:49 pm
I'm trying to decide my vote on prop 2, but both sides arguments are full of misleading info, ridiculous claims of communism, and no real facts. I believe Austin should support its local businesses...that's what makes us unique as a city, but I also see the benefit of offering some incentives to larger companies as well as long as we don't go overboard, which I think we've been doing. I am leaning towards a vote of "yes" but I'm afraid this is a blanket law...in other words using the recent cliche...a hatchet instead of a scalpel. Can some of you help me by providing facts and not rhetoric? BTW, it is REALLY difficult to find facts for propositions in elections. Why is that? It's absolutely ridiculous.


guest Oct 21, 2008 - 10:15 pm
for christs sake Lisa, I'm not going to make up your mind for you. How do you want the City to use tax dollars? And does it actually have a real benefit?

Try doing a search on Google.



it's the process, stupid (not you though) guest Oct 22, 2008 - 01:21 am
The problem is that this is proposed as a charter amendment, effectively amending Austin's Constitution for this purpose. I oppose the Domain subsidies, but I'm not sure that we should deal with such a specific issue in our charter.

Also, sometimes we "subsidize" projects to include various public benefits like affordable housing, open space preservation, etc.. I don't think the Domain is a good deal but some deals actually are good and no one complains. We gave millions to a solar power co. just a few months ago and did one person oppose it? Oh, but if it had retail on the bottom floor, noooo. WTF?



Mueller guest Oct 29, 2008 - 05:09 pm
Can someone please explain to me what's so great — even called a "national model" in this story — about the Mueller development? I see a bunch of crappy cookie-cutter homes, outrageously overpriced, two inches from each other, and big-box national chain stores such as Best Buy.

It seems like an absolutely terrible place to me.



Mueller m1ek Oct 29, 2008 - 06:40 pm
Well, the eventual plan is to have a lot more urban stuff in the middle, but the decision to build tract homes and strip malls FIRST does say a lot about their priorities, as I've complained many times.




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