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BY CHRISTOPHER GRAY



“We are not a consumer event. It’s not that I’m insensitive to music fans – obviously that’s why this all works – but ... our take on it is very different than the people who do Coachella or Bonnaroo.”
Photo By John Anderson


The Waiting Is The Hardest Part

Blogs are no laughing matter, nor mere entertainment. Just ask Clap Your Hands Say Yeah: A rave review on Gorilla vs. Bear, Largehearted Boy, Stereogum, My Old Kentucky Blog, or a jillion others is tons better than a similar notice in Spin and/or Rolling Stone. Unlike weekly or monthly publications, they can pass along juicy bits of news and gossip instantaneously. More and more, bloggers set the cultural agenda while more traditional media outlets struggle to catch up; not coincidentally, the Chronicle's first wave of music blogs debuts Friday. Casual readers may not care, but blogs aren't the least bit obligated to check their sources. That's half their appeal in the first place.

Recently no music-related topic has been more digitally debated than SXSW's decision to withhold its 2007 band list, previously announced in early January, until Valentine's Day or later in order to limit rivals' access to its 1,300-band-deep talent pool. Sites like Austinist.com, DoneWaiting.com, and Brooklyn Vegan have taken it upon themselves to reveal as many as possible, mostly through checking MySpace pages, inching toward 400 at last count. Last Thursday MTV News published a report based partly around a rumor that Nirvana was reuniting with Ben Kweller standing in for Kurt Cobain (www.mtv.com/news/articles/1550622/20070123/story.jhtml). Shoot, TCB e-mailed Guns n' Roses' label with a "rumor" that SXSW would bring Chinese Democracy's live debut to no avail.

It's crunch time, though, and SXSW Music Creative Director Brent Grulke admits as much. "I'm getting a degree of nervousness from the industry now," says Grulke, just back from international music-biz bazaar MIDEM in Cannes, France. "It's like, 'Come on guys, we've gotta get our promotional campaign under way!'" Indeed, new Gorillaz/Clash/Verve mash-up The Good, the Bad, & the Queen, solo Stroke Albert Hammond Jr., and indie powerhouse Merge Records, to name but three SXSWers, already have.


TCB: What's your take on the MTV story?

Brent Grulke: Like I was telling [the reporter], on one hand it's very flattering that people are so interested, but on the other, we are not a consumer event. It's not that I'm insensitive to music fans – obviously that's why this all works – but we're not trying to create an event where we're trying to get music fans to come, so our take on it is very different than the people who do Coachella or Bonnaroo.

TCB: You don't feel like your feet are being held to the fire?



Ghostland Observatory at Hogg Auditorium last month
Photo By Roxanne Jo Mitchell

BG: No. No matter what decisions we make at this point, they're going to have good and bad effects for us and the artists and businesses coming to South by Southwest.

TCB: Is the increased attention good for South by Southwest or just annoying?

BG: It's nice to know that so many people know of South by Southwest. That absolutely has real value. At the same time, we're an industry event, so our primary energies go into trying to figure out how best to create an industry event. All that speculation is, to some degree, a reflection of the success we've had, so it's not really a surprise, and I can't really get down on it at all. It really is just speculation; some of it's accurate and some of it's idiotic.

TCB: Have you seen the Austinist list?

BG: I haven't recently. I don't have time.

TCB: How close is South by Southwest to releasing their list?


The Good, the Bad, and the Queen

BG: I don't know yet. Since I got back, we haven't had a chance to discuss when that date might be. It will have to be very soon, obviously. It seems likely it'll be sometime before Valentine's Day, but precisely when I don't know.

TCB: What are some of the factors behind holding it?

BG: The largest thing is we're not trying to promote to consumers at all, and we want to be able to put out an accurate list. Once we put any kind of list out, we get all kinds of demand for it, people trying to figure out, "Oh, I need to get there; I need to get to this venue." We also get artists saying, "Oh my God, how can you have us competing with this, competing with that?"

Instead of releasing acts piecemeal, it makes more sense to get as good a sense as we can of all the acts we want to invite and put together a schedule that makes the most sense, we believe, for the largest number of people attending. The thinking was that it didn't do us any great favors having this information available earlier, because it creates this huge, huge, huge consumer buzz, and then we'll get so many phone calls of people saying, "Can I get tickets to the Stooges?" These things take up a tremendous amount of our energy and resources.

TCB: Do you think part of what's fueling all this is a misconception that South by Southwest is for fans?

BG: I don't think that's really it. Music fans, God bless 'em, know that traditionally they've been able to go to SXSW shows, and they're not interested in whether it's an industry event or not. Particularly the most hardcore, they just want to know who's playing so they can decide whether or not it makes sense for them to even try to come.



Iggy Pop on Sixth Street, SXSW 1996
Photo By John Carrico

TCB: Hardcore music fans think they're part of the industry anyway, right?

BG: Exactly. Exactly. Sure. Of course.

TCB: Do the clubs know who they've got yet?

BG: We're still ironing that out. When I was gone, everybody started putting together a first draft of the schedule. Realistically, we probably have a good sense of about 75 percent, maybe 85 percent. We have a pretty good sense of the label nights and a lot of the bigger acts, and we have working shows for a lot of the other stuff. Even once we do release it and say, "Hey, this is it," it changes radically.

TCB: So bands may know they're in but not where or when they're playing.

BG: That was the biggest question I got at MIDEM, far and away: "Please let me know what day and where." [I said,] "Believe me, I'd like to, as soon as I can." For it to make the most sense, you want to know everybody you're going to invite and then work from there. Maybe even toward the end of this week we'll send artists at least a tentative date and time, and some have already received those, at least verbally. Even some of the smaller acts, we'll say, "Look, if you're only available this day, you need to let us know, but that might put you in a position where you won't have nearly as good a show, or we may have to come to you and say, 'Hey look, we couldn't find anything for you.'" Once they get back to us, a lot of them are going to say, "I can't play that day," or, "We share a bass player with another band playing at the same time," and we'll have to reshuffle it. Following that, we should be in a position to release some kind of a list that will bear at least a substantial resemblance to reality.

TCB: It's always interesting, but especially this year because it all seems like a tempest in a teapot.

BG: My reaction exactly. It's like, "Huh? What's the big deal?" The shows are going to be as strong as they've ever been. The names we've already released [Pete Townshend, the Stooges, Ghostland Observatory] have obviously been substantial, and the artists and the people for whom South by Southwest is really created are either coming or not at this point anyway.

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What does it mean for the bands? guest Feb 01, 2007 - 04:11 am
Some bands know they have accepted while others haven't yet been contacted.

If a band hasn't yet heard from SXSW, does that mean the band has been rejected but has not yet been told; is on a some sort of waitlist and will get a slot if something becomes available; or is still in the running for a slot?



guest Feb 01, 2007 - 06:11 am
LAME. LAME. LAME. Well sir, you've lost one attendee to this year's SXSW by waiting to release the list. No way am I plunking down cash for a badge and plane ticket without knowing who is playing. Plane ticket prices increase with each passing day and I'm not just buying one on faith alone. Anybody have CMJ's phone number?


guest Feb 01, 2007 - 02:05 pm
Most local bands will not hear for a few more weeks - but out-of-towners should know shortly, if past experience holds.

As far as "LAME", well, that's fine, more room for folks like me who trust that SXSW will be as awesome as it is every year.



that makes no sense whatsoever guest Feb 01, 2007 - 05:07 pm
so, you can't put out a basic list of 1300 (mostly) unknown bands from Debuque and Witchita Falls without any times or dates because the competitors might steal their grandma's cookie recipes or something?

hey, let's contact SBC and tell them to quit printing the phone book while we're at it.



Tell Brent Grulke... guest Feb 02, 2007 - 11:50 am
that I'll be seeing him at the Stooges show WITHOUT A WRISTBAND OR BADGE.

Love,

"Chicken" a.k.a Dylan Giffith



there is no dana, only zuul edison_carter Feb 02, 2007 - 04:43 pm
Sometimes bands don't hear about a performance slot until the very last second (possibly the day before, even) although I do not know how often this occurs. A few years ago we were notified only 3 days before.

SXSW is still pretty cool, and a phenomenal opportunity to see all kinds of shows in all kinds of genres...even though they say they do not market this as a consumer event.

As an industry event for obscure musicians with no buzz, particularly if say, you have a wack time slot on Sunday given to you at the last second, it's unlikely to benefit you much.

e!

http://www.reverbnation.com/edisoncarter



Thanks Mr Grulke Disappointed from the UK Feb 03, 2007 - 06:16 pm
Wish I had known that SXSW is not for us music fans. Coming from the UK, we have enjoyed SXSW very much for the past couple of years and booked again this time. Well, I guess we won't be coming again. Thanks Mr Grulke for making us "mere consumers" feel really unwelcome. At least now we know.


I have some simple ideas for SXSW guest Feb 04, 2007 - 11:26 am
Can you not figure out why people call you looking for tickets to the Iggy show? It's because your website doesn't say a word about any of this. It sounds very simple to have a FAQ, as this is the information age. I guess you have such tunnel vision in who your "current" market is (corporate sponsors), that it doesn't bother you that your "old" market (stoned college kids with wristbands on spring break) haven't been given the message that their money is no good here anymore.


they'll come anyway guest Feb 05, 2007 - 02:56 pm
like the man said at the end of the interview. the people who are coming don't need this information. sxsw is out of control, and this might be first time in years that they're getting a grip. sx's way too big for the city, the venues, the hotels, everything. the past few years sorta sucked b/c even if you have a wristband, tons of venues are at capacity. better planning and slightly smaller crowds will make sxsw better and i'm sure those guys want it to best the best it can be. it's not like they're doing this to be assholes.



Still haven't been notified guest Feb 07, 2007 - 10:25 am
I'm with a band that still doesn't know its status. The SXSW FAQ said everyone would know by 2/9. Then that was changed to 2/7. Now it's back to 2/9.

I'm new to this so I don't know what it all means. If they haven't told us so far that we have been rejected, is it safe to assume we haven't yet been rejected?



hey guest Feb 07, 2007 - 01:49 pm
Anyone need an apartment to stay atfor SXSW? It's on a bus route in a relatively safe area and although it smells like cat piss, you'll think those turds are made outta rose oil after being on 6th Street (whadup?!?!) for 16 hours straight.

Only $800 for the entire weekend.



Sad very very sad indeed. guest Feb 07, 2007 - 11:49 pm
It does suck not knowing who is coming and where they are going. We are a month away and not ever close to seeing what we saw at this time last year! I hate when you have to make plans quicker then you should have to! Fucken hurry up and release the fucken list!!!!!!!! My palm hurts for more info!!!!!! Maybe Brent should have stayed in austin and done his job rather then flying to France!?!?


eh guest Feb 08, 2007 - 03:15 pm
The solution is simple. Don't plan on going to SXSW events. Don't buy into the hype, don't get your hopes up, and don't anticipate doing anything. That way, if you wind up at something like fuck by fuck you or south by so what or one of the million other things there are to do in this town, you won't feel cheated or disappointed knowing that you paid $$$ for a dumb badge that didn't get you in to see a shitty band anyway.


anyway guest Feb 08, 2007 - 03:17 pm
Look at that old fart in the picture that goes with this article. Do you REALLY want to see a bunch of bands hand picked by that guy?


Star@#cker Sherah Mar 16, 2007 - 03:00 pm
Brent Grulke is a fool. There is no need to buy a badge or really even a wristband for SXSW. All the really good music is at the free shows that have nothing to do with SXSW and the Chronicle. The Chron abandoned the musicians years ago. Ever once inawhile you'll come across someone decent at the Chronicle who still really loves music and not the almighty dollar. But for the most part unless you are Robert Rodriguez or Quentin Tarantino, the Chronicle staff could care less about you. How many people in Austin have been treated badly by Louis Black and for absolutely no good reason. How many people have been screamed at just because he was in a bad mood!? Brent Grulke shot his mouth off. That is the final straw for this Austinite. He showed the true feelings of most of the main staff at the Chronicle. Louis Black might want to reign in Brent Grulke if he wants to keep getting the city to waive it's fees when the Chron makes almost $4 million dollars at the minimum during this event. It is a huge hassle for the citizens of Austin and some of us are getting a bit weary when there is nothing tangible given to the city. That $77,000 fee that the city waived for SXSW for closing streets would have gone along way for organizations like the Wright House that is having it's AIDS funding cut. If the Chron wants to keep doing SXSW, fine go ahead but they need to start contributing directly to the city just like ACL is required to do to the parks depratment each year and The Rolling Stones promoters had to do last year in order to hold the concert. Citizens are getting a bit weary of being overrun and seeing nothing tangible in return. Buisnesses will not suffer at all if the Chron has to donate a portion of it's profits to the city just like Charles Attal is required to do. Folks will still come to Austin and spend at restaurants, shops, clubs, hotels, etc. The Chronicle needs to put up and contribute a portion of it's profits and Brent Grulke needs to shut up.


Black Guilty On All Counts Louis Black Mar 16, 2007 - 04:30 pm
Star@#cker ,

You are so right. Brent Grulke is a fool. I'm an ass. The Chronicle doesn't cover music. The Chronicle doesn't make $4 million dollars during SXSW; we make $4 million dollars each (and I'd love to know where you got that figure). We only cover Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino.

Just a couple of points: The Chronicle and SXSW Inc. are two separate businesses. SXSW Inc. pays quite a bit in fees to the City. Businesses in the general SXSW area are very supportive of SXSW. I couldn't reign Brent Grulke in if I wanted to. Do you want him to shut up because he was honestly trying to explain SXSW's purpose and relationship to the City and you didn't want to hear it?

And, as to your question, "How many people in Austin have been treated badly by Louis Black and for absolutely no good reason." W.A. Brenner Esq, Master of Law and Mood is directly responsible for maintaining my personnel files but there might be some confidentiality issues involved. So let me just answer "A Lot!"

And I want to thank you for your many contributions to the music scene and the City in general.

I do have to again acknowledge, however, that Brent Grulke is a fictional character.





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